[rich_sasha]

Sounds like a useful idiot to me.

Russia has been dislocating extremely threatening weaponry right on NATO doorstep and treating it as its holy right, for a long time. The Kaliningrad region is Europe’s most militarised area, with SAM and tactical ballistic weaponry extending over most of Poland and the Baltic’s, quite possibly most of Europe in fact. Russian nuke-capable bombers graze NATO airspaces on an almost daily rate.

But Ukraine thinks about joining NATO and Russia has no choice but carve out some of its territory? And it’s the west’s fault?

In a 19th century Polish book (very racist by modern standards) by Nobel prize winning author Sienkiewicz, “In the desert and in the jungle”, an indigenous man Kali is being “enlightened” about Christianity. When asked to provide an example of a bad deed, he says “when someone take cow from Kali”. Asked for a good deed, he volunteers: “when Kali take cow”.

Basically, you don’t need to understand more about morality to understand Putin’s idea of statehood and leadership.

[Yoofie]

> Russia has been dislocating extremely threatening weaponry right on NATO doorstep and treating it as its holy right, for a long time.

You got this exactly backwards. NATO has been expanding towards Russia and is seen as aggressive by Russia. NATO/US "graze" Russian and Chinese airspace aswell - whats your point? This is just military tactics 101.

>But Ukraine thinks about joining NATO and Russia has no choice but carve out some of its territory? And it’s the west’s fault?

Ukraine is a buffer state. When your buffer state is being armed and funded by your political enemies, you draw a red line. When you cross a red line and you fail a diplomatic negotiations, what do you expect to happen?

[rich_sasha]

Yes yes yes. Russia is a peaceful country, just somehow surrounded by festering wars. Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya, not to forget its brainchild North Korea.

But sure, it’s everyone else’s fault!

[qiskit]

> Russia has been dislocating extremely threatening weaponry right on NATO doorstep and treating it as its holy right, for a long time. The Kaliningrad region is Europe’s most militarised area, with SAM and tactical ballistic weaponry extending over most of Poland and the Baltic’s

Is it russia's fault that NATO expanded to russia's borders? The problem here isn't russia. It's NATO. The evil empire that's expanding to places it does not belong. The source of the world's problem isn't russia or china. It's NATO and the west.

Just look at the commonality amongst all the issues in the world. From ukraine to taiwan to myanmar to syria to iran to venezuela to everywhere. It's the US. We are the problem. A clear sign of an overstretched empire having to deal with little fires all over the world.

> But Ukraine thinks about joining NATO and Russia has no choice but carve out some of its territory? And it’s the west’s fault?

A dutch company selling equipment to china was such a problem for the US that we forbade the dutch ( supposedly a sovereign state ) from doing business with china. Imagine if the chinese bought the netherlands instead. Or even better, imagine if the chinese took over canada. Think the US would be concerned? That's what NATO taking over ukraine is for russia. Look at a map.

> When asked to provide an example of a bad deed, he says “when someone take cow from Kali”. Asked for a good deed, he volunteers: “when Kali take cow”.

In other words, "Free Tibet" but no "Free Alaska", no "Free Hawaii", no "Free Texas", etc. "Free Xinjiang" but not "Free Australia". It's almost like hypocrisy is essential to geopolitics? It's part of geopolitic's nature.

> Basically, you don’t need to understand more about morality to understand Putin’s idea of statehood and leadership.

No morality in geopolitics. Just interests. The ones claiming to be the most moral almost always turn out to be the most evil.

What is shocking is how passive the russians have been. Even more shocking is how passive china has been. How passive the world has been. Is everyone just biding their time? Is it money?