[TranquilMarmot]

??? I absolutely love the touchpad on the Framework. I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available. Honestly I don't mind tap-to-click vs. press-to-click.

I can agree that the speakers aren't stellar but that's something I don't care about on a laptop since I always have on headphones or I'm just using the speakers for video conferencing or something. Never experienced any background static when using headphones.

[worthless-trash]

I think the macbook ones are hot garbage compared to my lenovo. I think people get a bit brainwashed when it comes to mac hardware.

[na85]

>I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available.

That's a dealbreaker for me. I'm not one of those people that carries around en external mouse and stuff. I bought a laptop for a reason. "Better than the hot garbage trackpad on my wife's Dell" is not good enough.

[TranquilMarmot]

Then sad to say you will be stuck on Apple hardware for the foreseeable future. It's all a matter of preference, too- I used to have a newer Dell and thought the trackpad was totally fine.

[na85]

Yeah, I've resigned myself to paying the apple tax for a while.

My wife has a recent (2019-vintage?) Dell XPS and I can't stand using it. It's just a horrible machine, despite Windows 10 supposedly being good.

- Sleep when closing the lid barely if ever works (netflix keeps playing, etc.)

- When it does sleep, the network doesn't work when you wake it back up (have to reconnect to wifi manually)

- Randomly spinning up the fans when it's supposed to be asleep. Wake it up to discover windows update decided to do whatever it does

- Trackpad just doesn't work well in general. Lousy palm rejection, fiddly multi-touch

- Camera is on the bottom of the monitor so everyone on zoom gets a great view of your knuckles, and up your nose.

It's like nobody at Dell dogfoods their own products. It's just a thoroughly shit-tier machine.

[aunty_helen]

They did change the audio chip due to supply chain issues. My laptop was right around the time they changed so I'm not sure which I've got. But there's an audible tone and then static and then an audible tone when there's no sound. So it's obvious that it's switching on and then off.

This is with a pair of akg K371.