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by jessriedel 1581 days ago
> They were the Soviet Union's nukes. That organization ceased to exist.

I agree with some of what you say, but "the Soviet Union ceased to exist" is too simplistic. The codes necessary for firing the weapons (without modification) were controlled by military leaders largely in Russia.

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The former states of the USSR agreed that Russia was the continuator state of the USSR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states#Soviet_Un... The "the Soviet Union ceased to exist" argument was also used to circumvent the agreement not to expand NATO towards the east. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-...
> the agreement not to expand NATO towards the east

This is a myth. There was a discussion in the midst of a negotiation that mentioned this. The final agreement, the Budapest Memorandum, which everyone is presently violating, did not.

There were multiple assurances made throughout the years in diplomatic comminques that were later declassified including James Baker's famous "not one inch eastward".

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017...

It just didnt appear in any treaty.

For the Soviet Union I think the notion that diplomatic assurances were meaningless unless backed by a treaty wasnt considered.

Lots of ideas were mooted and abandoned in the transcript [1]; it's revisionist to fixate on that one.

If you and I are negotiating the purchase and sale of a car, I say 10, you acknowledge my 10 and say 20, and we settle on 15, my heirs can’t later claim you said 10 and so agreed to it. That is the nonsense argument being raised here.

Even Gorbachev, to whom these statements were made, concurs he never understood there to be an agreement.

[1] https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-...

Most people recognize Russia to be the successor state to the Soviet Union, much like how they recognize that the Fifth French Republic is the successor state to the Fourth French Republic.
I'd be more inclined to see the CIS as the successor.

The Fifth French Republic may be the successor to the Fourth, but that doesn't mean Algeria is still French.