[bullen]

Yes, the US imports as much oil as it exports: quality in, shit out.

And the wasted energy is enourmous to even barely preserve the quality of life.

I think Russia is not invading Ukraine as much as the US is slowly (expanding NATO over decades) "invading" Russia because it desperately needs it's high EROEI sources to pretend we have "business as usual".

To no benefit since war consumes too much energy.

For the rest of human civilization we will have to fight against nature to extract less and less energy.

Only 1 solution: Stop using energy, NOW!

Raspberry 4 as desktop, Rasperry Pico as mobile. Small apartement/house (20 square meters per person max.). Work from home (no office to heat/cool). Bike for every day transport, train when too far. Bus only if you have to. Never Car/Fly.

You will have to change, now or later dragged by your hair.

[emptysongglass]

> I think Russia is not invading Ukraine as much as the US is slowly (expanding NATO over decades) "invading" Russia because it desperately needs it's high EROEI sources to pretend we have "business as usual".

This doesn't make any sense and is not in any way a mapping to reality. NATO membership is by request only and its numbers have swelled with ex-Soviet republics who want nothing to do with their former master. There is no NATO "invasion", which is a defensive force only. The only occasion I am aware of where they did not act in defense of a member state was to interdict in a genocide.

Ukraine is doing everything it can to stay out of conflict while remaining self-sovereign but it is literally surrounded by 170,000 Russian troops who are less than 40 kilometers on average from Ukraine's border. If any war breaks out in the coming weeks it will be entirely the fault of Russia.

[bullen]

Ok, interesting that you think anything in life is voluntary. We'll see how history judges the affair, in my experience the only way to disseminate truth is to close down the forum where arguments are held: previously books, now the internet.

NATO is responsible for accepting memberships and keeping their promises, and we are responsible for consuming other peoples energy: mostly our own childrens enegy.

Either way, the only way to avoid conflict is by living frugally. So that holds no matter what.

To think that defence can't be offensive is plain wrong. Do you remember the Cuba crisis?

[0ldskool]

you mean that crisis that should have been called the Turkey missile crisis? Wasn't the main cause because USA put missiles so close to USSR that they could bypass the early warning system. USSR was just reacting in response.

[cbozeman]

This sounds like the ranting of a madman. You sound like Energy Thanos.

If you think the modern world is going to grind to the kind of halt that your... "solutions"... would cause, you're seriously mistaken.

The only 1 solution, as you put it, is to innovate our way out of this problem. Nuclear fusion will have to be researched, developed, and implemented worldwide. That's your "only 1 solution".