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> I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive.

> Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interactions were hard with a mask? Imagine not being able to use your hearing at all.

> (yes, 60 dB is necessary because that's how much you'll need in order to sleep - the human ear has an incredibly large dynamic range and even 30 dB_SPL conversations are enough to keep some people awake for hours)

Per this (https://audiology-web.s3.amazonaws.com/migrated/NoiseChart_P...), 30 dB is rated as a "whisper." This (https://mynewmicrophone.com/what-are-decibels-the-ultimate-g...) calls 30 dB SPL a "Quiet bedroom at night."

It sounds like you're challenging me with overkill requirements meant to totally mute the horns almost like they're not there, when the realistic problem is to reduce the noise to the point where someone could sleep.

I kind of find it hard to believe that's not possible with and indoor location + silicone ear plugs (and maybe white noise if you're very sensitive).

> As it stands, many of the residents near these protests are being subjected to low-level sleep deprivation, which is literally torture (as in, used as such by organizations who actually want to extract information or confessions from people).

Again, calling it "literally torture" is ridiculous hyperbole, or at the very least invokes misleading associations. A noisy neighbor is being annoying to his neighbors, not torturing them.

[dendriti]

What about young children? You have a handwavy method to get a toddler to wear silicone earplugs for 8 hours a night?

Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion. This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that.

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> Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion.

I'm not, and I'm pretty sure your accusation violates site guidelines.

> This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that.

You should note I'm not defending them or their actions. I just think it's ridiculous hyperbole to call what they're doing "literally torture." If the ancestor comment had simply said they were being annoying and disruptive, I wouldn't have responded at all.

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But it is literally a form of torture.

[throw10920]

Exactly - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogatio... there we go, right there.

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> Exactly - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogatio... there we go, right there.

So are you going to set up crimes-against-humanity tribunals to prosecute all the noisy neighbors of the world for being torturers?

And were those truckers performing interrogations that I haven't heard about? Your comparison is as ridiculous as comparing compulsory school to prison. Yeah, you can find some similarities, but you're missing important differences that undermine the comparison.

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I don't follow. Torture doesn't have to be used as part of an interrogation to be torture.

And in the noisy neighbors scenario, are they just loud as a by-product of their self-centered preferences or are they making noise intentionally to make everyone miserable and get something they want? Either way, they are causing sleep deprivation and constant stress, which is a form of torture. In the second scenario, it's even done intentionally as a means to an end. Even so, folks are rarely prosecuted for crimes against humanity even for the most grotesque mistreatment of under a dozen people.

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Yes, 30 dB ambient noise keeps me awake at night - I know this as someone who had a sibling that played video games and very quietly talked into his mic from another room - which wasn't even noticeable during the day, but during the night, I could hear him clearly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure#Examples_of_sou... gives 30 dB as a "very calm room", which is what it was.

Comments elsewhere in the thread cite 120+ dB horns outside and about 80 dB indoors.

80-60=20. Let's say the earplugs only have to be 50 dB (and that the average person can sleep with 30 dB of noise in their ears at night) - I still bet you can't find any that fit the requirements above.

There's no "overkill requirements" - I'm handing you concrete, realistic numbers that are reflective of real life and you're trying to handwave them away.

> A noisy neighbor is being annoying to his neighbors, not torturing them.

You literally didn't read one of the last sentences of my comment - "To clarify - it's not honking that's torture, it's sustained honking at a duration and intensity that will cause sleep deprivation and other psychological damage."

Please read before responding.