[Computeiful]

“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.”

Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

[maybelsyrup]

> Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

Wait: the guy tortures (or pays for the torture of) intelligent life for literally zero benefit and your conclusion is that his trial timeline isn't realistic? I actually lol'd

Self-crashing cars, science-blocking satellites, Ativan tweets, and now sadism to primates: what more evidence do we need that what this person requires -- in the most charitable possible case -- is to be tarred and feathered and sent to live forever in that garbage patch in the Pacific?

Honestly it's like 2 decades now with this guy, what's it gonna take

[vore]

I think, more charitably, is that the OP's point is it's patently absurd that Elon wants human trials in any form this year when these kind of horrific deaths are happening to these monkeys.

[maybelsyrup]

No no I know, you're probably right, but like you see how the phrasing was just horror/funny right

[xupybd]

The benefits will be "literally" life changing for hundreds of thousands of people that suffer from conditions that could be aided by these devices. Then as the technology matures it's the kind of thing that can bring species wide changes. The benefits here can't be overstated.

[ganzuul]

We are 2 minutes to midnight not just of our own causing but of the natural cycles of the Earth, the sun, and in fact the galaxy. Those who fight for survival are the fittest to do so, with all that this implies, and we are lucky it's not that Adolf guy from the 40s who is preparing to send people to Mars.

On Earth moral conduct is often only a luxury. If the risk assessment conducted by the global survivalists is correct, then in this case we could not afford morals. This is the diabolic equation which structures the lives of the elite.

[gherkinnn]

According to 2018, Tesla trucks should be in production last year.

He’s a well of stupid ideas and false promises. Trucks, Cybertrucks, FSD, robots, tunnels, going to Mars in 2025, using Dogecoin for interstellar purchases, uploading our brains and sending that in to space.

The list is endless.

[inglor_cz]

This discussion sounds a lot like Reddit. Haters vs. fanboys.

A lot of Musk's business proposals or projects either didn't work or didn't keep to the promised timeline. Some of them did pan out, though. The US now relies on Falcon 9 to get astronauts to space and back. The list of human-rated launch vehicles since Gagarin is pretty short, the very opposite of endless. And people were scoffing at the idea of usefulness of a reusable rocket just weeks before the first successful landings happened.

I also rode a Tesla shotgun. It is a nice car, even though expensive and overhyped. But that isn't the same as vaporware. Traditional car makers suddenly had to compete with a newcomer - after how many decades of a mature market?

If you mentioned those two, I would be inclined to consider your take as more balanced.

[gherkinnn]

Yes. Falcon is nice. And it is admirable how Tesla made electric cars palatable. Remember the Prius?

[xondono]

Musk has cornered de market for wishful thinking

[ganzuul]

If you have ever tried to bring an idea to reality before, you know very well that it is hard to predict if your idea is going to be stupid or not in advance.

[friedturkey]

Self-driving cars have been postponed indefinitely. I don't trust his companies with human brain implants before they can get cars to reliably drive accident-free.

[viczsaszbo]

The report is about research done 3 years before the Neuralink pig demo.

[0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1htsprat2iup04/2022-02-10%20PCRM%...

[cheeze]

We'll get human trials after they actually launch FSD

So... never

[killingtime74]

Maybe 2132

[pfdietz]

This. The whole thing sounds wildly science fictional, much more so than something as a simple as a reusable launch vehicle.

[faeyanpiraat]

I don’t think so.

They are just implanting stuff into you.

There are already working implants, like pacemakers, this is just more complicated.

They have to figure out how to do it without causing too much side effects.

[inawarminister]

We have brain implants since 1997 too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_brain_stimulation

They're used to excite brain areas, with some success in granting euphoria to depressed patients, as detailed here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/03/pleasure-...

Neuralink's main innovation is its aim in making the brain implant able to transmit information outward, for use in prosthetics, and yes, mind-to-machine input. The last is what he's going for, allowing us to bypass text-input/voice-input or gesture in favor of directly thinking them. We'll see how much of that aim is able to be done or not, with our current technology.

[pfdietz]

Connecting to the brain is a vastly more complex problem than stimulating a heart.