Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by scarmig 1587 days ago
"Taking personal responsibility" is always an option, and it's usually the best option in terms of maximizing personal wellbeing.

At the same time, it's important to recognize the social forces that constrain different groups and limit the power that personal agency can exert over outcomes. The masculine gender role is extremely narrow, and if you deviate much from it, society will punish you: so-called "personal responsibility" plays the role of telling men to shut up and fit their role. As a man seeking a female partner, if I want to be a homemaker who teaches belly dance part time, I'm going to be in for a really hard time, no matter how much personal agency I embrace.

That also ignores the shittiness that even people who do manage to fit neatly into the masculine gender role still have to experience.

It's worth calling out these things in the hopes of driving social change, and it's something both men and women must participate in if we want to see a change.

1 comments

> The masculine gender role is extremely narrow, and if you deviate much from it, society will punish you.

> As a man seeking a female partner, if I want to be a homemaker who teaches belly dance part time, I'm going to be in for a really hard time, no matter how much personal agency I embrace.

If you say so, it will be so. If you write this code, you should not be surprised when running it achieves the programmed result. Whether you believe me or not, your statements are false. I spent time thinking this way, I suffered immensely, I put in deep effort to explore a larger perspective, and I am now greatly enjoying how incomplete was the field I saw before.

Women don't all want a provider. The trust of many has been damaged beyond that. They provide for themselves now (lots of men actually say we want that). What else can a man offer? Emotional support. The ability to make her feel like a fucking goddess. Being a homemaking belly dancer more aligns with that than doesn't.

You are right that women must participate too. They already are. It's men's attitudes that need to catch up.

I'm a highly emotionally-available, bellydancing bi guy who's dated both men and women, so I have a reasonable comparison point. Men are far, far more open-minded about the gender roles their partners inhabit than women are. It's not even close.
If that's your experience then that's your experience. Mine is different. I validate your experience, and see it as true. I do the same for my own.