[mrobot]

You've completely glossed over the root of it here. The lie that Russia is going to invade Ukraine is the "Saddam has WMDs"

Every time the US media talks about an imminent "Russian Invasion", or suggests that they are not the ones instigating the war, they are indirectly instigating war with Russia by lying.

[Tuna-Fish]

Russia currently has troops on Ukrainian soil. They invaded 8 years ago, and the invasion has not ended.

[mrobot]

The current lie is that there is a threat of a new invasion. Not even Ukrainian leadership agrees with this, but it doesn't seem to affect planning in the United States.

"They invaded 8 years ago"

hm ok. Do you know what a US color revolution is?

https://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2014/03/11/pierre-omidyar-c...

[phantomathkg]

Most of the countries have two or two choices, align with Russia/China, or align with the West.

Back in 2017, 69% of Ukrainian wants to join NATO[1].

It is Putin's own fascination that Ukraine should go back to Russia that starts all this mess[2].

Even if US has sponsored the color revolution, so what? Between two evils, choose the lesser one.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-nato-idUSKBN19V12... [2]: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

[mrobot]

Lesser of two evils applies when there is a dichotomy of two likely outcomes both of which you see as evil.

In this case, the United States can simply not invade. Then there will be no problem.

The problem is that Jen Psaki is going on television and telling the country a bold-faced lie. It is just a lie, that is all there is to it. Russia is not the aggressor. The United State is the aggressor.

No US invasion, no evil.

[kspacewalk2]

Amazing. It's like you live in a parallel universe where the US, not Russia, is preparing to invade by amassing a hundred thousand troops, issuing insane ultimatums, dehumanizing the enemy daily on its propaganda outlets, etc.

[phantomathkg]

Unless you are living in parallel universe.

Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 and created puppet state Abkhazia and South Ossetia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, US was not involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Ru...

US also not involved in the war in Donbas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

If you cannot provide proof, then what you said are flat out lie.

[phantomathkg]

Lie?

So are you saying these satellite images are fabricated?

https://www.wsj.com/video/series/on-the-news/satellite-image...

[mrobot]

Yes, the framing of the high budget web military propaganda from the effectively state-run military news source is based on lies.

[phantomathkg]

Please provide proof that the satellite images are lies.

[CyanBird]

> by lying

And well... By giving far right proxy forces in the Ukraine arms and training, so the proxy forces can then be used for clandestine operations and hopefully (so nato/us/UK think) instigate a Russian military response to which they can scream casius Beli and create more unrest in the entire area

[kspacewalk2]

> far right proxy forces

armed forces of a country with a democratically elected civilian government

[ukrainmilitias]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

[champagnois]

Russia already did invade Ukraine. It has been taking Ukraine territory and waging war on Ukraine for years now.

Last time Russia took over Ukraine, they genocided millions; It wasn't that long ago, either.