[bogomipz]

I was under the impression(perhaps very wrongfully) that Bosch was supposed to be quality engineering. Was this never true or is it just not true for certain product segments? The last part of your comment made me laugh out loud.

[tcbawo]

I once had a Bosch dishwasher in a condo that I purchased in the mid 2000s. The control board had a tendency to go bad every few years and flood the kitchen. I had read this was because the board was originally designed for European voltages and certain connections couldn't handle NA current over time. The first time it happened coincided with the birth of my first child. Getting back from the hospital with warped flooring was not a pleasant discovery. Bosch seems like a bit of luxury brand, although I've had some Bosch power tools that have worked out great.

[alliao]

bosch is supposedly middle class in europe, siemens is the upper middle brand

it is quality engineering, but like most german engineered products it expects similarly engineered environment.

think german cars on autobahn appliances in german household with german conditions my dishwasher came with water hardness testing kit, you bet I tested my water and gave it everything it asks, salt/own washing tablet etc

They don't usually fail gracefully due to how engineered it got

I do have a whirlpool top loader from more than 20yrs ago, I can tell it's designed to fail gracefully and I dread the day it dies and I'd have to replace it with a 5yr lifespan crap.

(when you overload the whirlpool machine, it's a plastic part that breaks rather than taking down the motor by hard coupling with a metal part. when i just had to replace a $7 part I wish I could buy the engineer a beer.)