[JetAlone]

Come now, do you think the gut flora that naturally interacts with my body, etc. and lives and dies (death being explainable as a consequence of the fall anyways) is on the same order of meaning to me as the changes enacted by God-image bearing man? It's not comparable to me.

The change brought about in my faith is a divine change given by the Divine Persons from outside this temporal universe who love me! Yes! A salvific change! To those who cannot see this light, it understandably does look like a delusion, and I don't blame them for seeing it that way, that's part of their own personal life.

[theplumber]

My advice stands: The key(word )that you're looking for is "delusional". Find its meaning and it will set you free the way the creator intended.

[wruza]

Can we please not have discussions like this here. I'm just a regular user, but I think most of us will agree. It may have a first-hand educational effect sometimes, but it rarely stays positive.

[JetAlone]

This advice only "stands", for apostasy and betrayal of the people I love in my community, and of the martyrs and saints who underwent beatings and who gave their lives for God being tortured to death in the colosseum. To give up and let their view, consumed with love for God and each other die in me... All because I couldn't endure a little hostility from some unknown people on the internet who thought I was silly for seeing as much meaning in things as I do.

[theplumber]

You built just a narrative that makes you comfortable with your life. It's not like the "saints" were the only ones tortured at the colosseum but as usually people remember and care only about the ones sharing the same beliefs(i.e pack mentality).

People are bing killed and tortured today as well for various reasons(i.e "god" doesn't like their orientation or behaviour). See also Rohingya genocide. Do something for these people and I'm sure that your life will be more worthy by any ethical standard than if you don't eat pork or whatever dietary/religious convictions you follow. Maybe you even become a "saint" for them.

You don't need historical events to build a way of life. History is happening right now.

[JetAlone]

That's a subtle antichrist attitude, falling in line with Judas' anger at Christ being given expensive ointment, saying it could have been sold and the proceeds distributed to the poor. It is to try to use good principles to spite the very Truth that the good principles are derived from in the first place. Moral actions need to point towards that transcendent - that's why I need to follow my religious convictions first, and any aid given to those in need along the way are good works oriented properly. There is no aimless good, no worthy history made independent of the identity of Truth. That's why I am so encouraged by the martyrs of the colosseum, of course, and the end effects of their actions was that the colosseum eventually got shut down and no criminals or gladiators were tortured there anymore, as you correctly said. Believer and nonbeliever alike can be raised up by the efforts of those of faith, and we don't have to live in scorn for each other.

[theplumber]

This discussion goes nowhere. From now on I will refrain myself from having discussions on religious themes with religious people. It's like talking with a support chatbot.

[JetAlone]

BREAKING NEWS: discussion goes nowhere useful when you open by outright telling a person their worldview is deluded, and end on insulting their heroes and family.

If I've at all discouraged you from treating other people like this in the future at the cost of a few piddly little hacker news upvote points, I take this as a massive victory all around. It's a win for you too cause you might be a little calmer in future.