[JetAlone]

That's a subtle antichrist attitude, falling in line with Judas' anger at Christ being given expensive ointment, saying it could have been sold and the proceeds distributed to the poor. It is to try to use good principles to spite the very Truth that the good principles are derived from in the first place. Moral actions need to point towards that transcendent - that's why I need to follow my religious convictions first, and any aid given to those in need along the way are good works oriented properly. There is no aimless good, no worthy history made independent of the identity of Truth. That's why I am so encouraged by the martyrs of the colosseum, of course, and the end effects of their actions was that the colosseum eventually got shut down and no criminals or gladiators were tortured there anymore, as you correctly said. Believer and nonbeliever alike can be raised up by the efforts of those of faith, and we don't have to live in scorn for each other.

[theplumber]

This discussion goes nowhere. From now on I will refrain myself from having discussions on religious themes with religious people. It's like talking with a support chatbot.

[JetAlone]

BREAKING NEWS: discussion goes nowhere useful when you open by outright telling a person their worldview is deluded, and end on insulting their heroes and family.

If I've at all discouraged you from treating other people like this in the future at the cost of a few piddly little hacker news upvote points, I take this as a massive victory all around. It's a win for you too cause you might be a little calmer in future.

[theplumber]

Enjoy the echo chamber!

[JetAlone]

You're right, there's nothing quite like the acoustics of a beautiful domed cathedral. Thank you!