[dan_pixelflow]

This weird hatred of not sharing pronouns is harmful - it's.. a few characters next to your name to help people talk to you and to help people who use different pronouns to what society has given them. Please stop acting all high-and-mighty over them - it's always with good intent.

[tristan957]

I am a man. My pronouns on my LinkedIn profile do nothing other than to appease a fringe part of society who thinks being incorrectly referred to by a different pronoun is an attack on their character. I don't feel the need to give in to these people. Someone who would repeatedly refer to you by the wrong pronouns doesn't care that your pronouns are on your profile. It is a solution looking for a problem.

[space_fountain]

Well sometimes it can be tough to know. Is that a trans man showing a bit an effeminate side sometimes or a woman? Is that person trying to look androgynous or masculine or is it just what they like to wear?

[john_moscow]

Well, if it really bothers someone when someone else uses the wrong pronoun, they could always just politely ask. Just like people with hard-to-pronounce foreign names. And if someone else refuses, you know, just don't be friends with that guy - be professional, to-the-point and spend your free time with the people that share your values.

If you actually have a great home, friends, hobbies, and are generally happy about your life, someone using the wrong pronoun or giving you a weird look shouldn't bother you more than an unexpected rainy day. The problem is that most people that are vocal about pronouns are actually deeply unhappy, and the HR has sold them the bullshit pill that devoting your life to correcting others will somehow make you happier.

Or you could agree to disagree on pronouns, and agree to agree on pursuit of financial independence like in the good old times. Easy common goal. After all, you don't care if your colleague likes heavy metal while you love rock, as long as they can reliably answer questions that would otherwise take you days to research.

[snowron6]

>Just like people with hard-to-pronounce foreign names. And if someone else refuses, you know, just don't be friends with that guy - be professional, to-the-point and spend your free time with the people that share your values.

I'd argue it's the person refusing to refer to someone how they'd prefer to be referred to as being unprofessional. It's odd you use foreign names as an analogy, when refusing to pronounce someone's name correctly would probably get you a call from HR.

[metalised]

> After all, you don't care if your colleague likes heavy metal while you love rock

Blasphemy! Madness!

Heavy metal all the way, duh!

[r_hoods_ghost]

Perhaps you would like me to publicly declare my other protected characteristics in all my correspondence? My religion perhaps? Ethnicity, race, that I have a disability? It is not always with good intent, instead it is a demand to publicise a characteristic by which others will often judge you. If you want to announce that you are he/him she/her, they/them go ahead. But don't demand other people do it, because I have a right to privacy.

[john_moscow]

Oh, it's not hatred. It's calling out the employers' bullshit. People have an inherent need to have "wins". Getting something you could envision. Used to be simple things like money, property, vacations, you know. Then the corporate psychologists figured out that instead of giving you a raise out of the corporate budget, they can let people have non-monetary "wins". "Thank you" letters, "parking for employee of the month", "product owner" titles, etc.

Pronouns are just another step in this sequence, but it's more divisive, since it comes with a tiny little power over other employees - occupying a slightly larger slot in their attention by having them remember them. All while the wage/home price ratio keeps plummeting, and retirement at any reasonable age has gone completely off the radar.

These problems affect ALL of us, regardless of our race, gender, sexual preferences, etc. They are not divisive at all, but they are harmful to the corporate profits. So the HR and the media are doing their best to bump made-up divisive issues to the top of our priorities, so we won't notice how we are being screwed.

[boppo1]

I actually don't mind using/learning pronouns. But I'm a male, I identify as male, and I present as male well enough that no one has misgendered me in 32 years. Something about listing my pronouns feels not only silly, but distinctly wrong in light of that.

[yibers]

Always with good intent?