[throwaway599281]

Can't wait for regular people that have a few solvable issues in their life but perceive themselves as "depressed" to just take a shortcut where Ketamine, or whatever is the miracle drug at the moment, will fix everything.

Many doctors won't have any problem prescribing them, as they can always say "it was <national drug institution> approved and the patient should stick to the prescribed dosage".

What the vast majority of people need in their lives are discipline and sense of fulfilling, which they won't get from drugs or other material things they can buy.

[armatav]

Ketamine is used to induct children into surgery it’s so safe.

Depressed people cannot maintain the discipline required to undo their learned helplessness - which is burned into their neurons as structured physical loops.

There are neuronal changes that cannot be rapidly modified without drugs that release BDNF, like infusion-levels of ketamine.

In the time you aren’t treating your patient with the most effective systems, of which ketamine is one of them, they may do irreversible damage to themselves or others. All depression treatments should short-circuit to ketamine as a first line - the efficacy is incredible.

The greatest issue with ketamine infusions is that they cost $800 per session.

[throwaway599281]

>Ketamine is used to induct children into surgery it’s so safe.

Which is not the topic of the article, nor am I debating that fact.

>Depressed people cannot maintain the discipline required to undo their learned helplessness Those deeply depressed people are not the ones I am mentioning in my comment. And as with any other serious disease, sometimes taking experimental treatments are worth the risk if more conventional treatments don't help patients improve.

If I wasn't clear enough, I'm talking about people who think they are depressed but would most accurately be described as "sad", for any given reason that could be happening in their lives.

[armatav]

"Miracle drug" is a sidelining attempt to dismiss infusion therapy, your primary concern in your post is the patient's health - with recommendations to maintain discipline, which is usually done through a focused, repeated and consistent healthy activity - like running, or weightlifting - known positive recreational activities.

Since your concern is for the patients health, and your recommendation is against the use of first line infusion therapy, and your alternative is a known positive recreational activity with the intent to build discipline; it is implied that you believe the infusion is not safe for the patients health in the particular circumstance of short-term sadness.

You are not debating the fact, you are simply dismissing the efficacy of the infusion with regard to assisting patients undergoing "short-term sadness", and working around it when confronted.

The mistake here is somehow believing that all patients can handle "short-term sadness" without undergoing a mental break; it is analytically correct to assault the issue on all available fronts, and if a small infusion dose assists someone in rectifying their issues, it should be done.

The patients perception of their mental state becomes their mental state, which is why psychedelic drugs have such a high efficacy in the first place, the BDNF literally rewires their brain and how they view their issues. So what exactly is implied when you say "Can't wait for regular people that have a few solvable issues in their life but perceive themselves as "depressed" to just take a shortcut where Ketamine, or whatever is the miracle drug at the moment, will fix everything." - these issues are perhaps solvable for you because you would view it how you view their "short-term sadness". This is not the case, each patient is N = 1.