[zohch]

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it.

China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

[dang]

Please don't use HN for generic nationalistic and ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: I had to ask you about this just recently (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29555995). Continuing to abuse HN like this will end up getting you banned here, so please don't.

[marderfarker2]

I’ve always thought it to be the reverse, since the west has the whole world at their disposal (in terms of audience and technology penetration)

[iszomer]

Ever bought something you believed was Made in Japan but found out later it was actually Made in China?

[marderfarker2]

I don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.

[iszomer]

It can when materialistic quality is a factor in purchasing decisions. For example, I recently had to buy a new rice cooker and based on my prior experiences of owning both Japanese and Chinese brands; the former outlasted the latter by thirty years. Just because it was cheap and easily sourceable doesn't discount expected quality assurances.

I'm not saying this applies to all Chinese made products but something I keep in mind for all future purchases.

[pokepim]

For one, chinese made Teslas are superior in quality to American ones. So looks like you are right, not every chinese product should be seen as inferior to japanese or even American.

[pmontra]

If you always buy from A instead of from B, whoever they are, you start enjoying a familiarity with A that you don't have with B.

Then, not about minds but about money, you are helping A with your money instead of helping B and A eventually becomes more powerful than B.

[iszomer]

Not willing to see it from a socialist angle.

r/BuyItForLife

[jtdev]

Yes, it’s one reason that I let my Amazon Prime membership lapse and rarely purchase anything from Amazon now.

[cnlevy]

cancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme

[pmontra]

Ancient Athens had ostracism [1]. It was against a single person and not against ideas but given that the numbers where smaller and heads carry ideas, it was more or less the same thing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

[quocanh]

China is famously very accepting of all ideas and would never ban or ostracize members of its own society for perspectives that disagree with the majority's belief.

Yep. Definitely a western thing.

[threatofrain]

Cancelling finds its roots in the freedom of association.

[BrazzVuvuzela]

Cancel culture isn't that either. Cancel culture is a rebranding of 'shunning', which I bet predates humans as we know them. I bet our social monkey predecessors had such tactics figured out.

Read this and tell me it isn't 'cancel culture': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Overview

Bonus: 'shadow-banning' is stealth shunning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Stealth_shunning

[hnfong]

How about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication

[BrazzVuvuzela]

Another word for basically the same thing, yes. Excommunication is top-down directed shunning.

[azangru]

It's probably a combination of the two. Letting the monkey instincts run wild while covering them with modern fanciful words :-)

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>China

Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation.

Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted.

This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

[dang]

You broke the site guidelines egregiously here, and made it worse downthread. We ban accounts that do that repeatedly, and I'm dismayed to see that you've been doing it a lot.

I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted good (for HN) comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29300291 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28987167, but to be honest, those are pretty slim pickings in the account's history. That's a problem and we need you to fix it if you want to keep participating here.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.