[wonnage]

You've basically described running a fancy motel for tech workers. Do you guys not have any form of front desk/building management on site? It seems crazy to run a housing unit with so many people coming in and out otherwise, particularly in those neighborhoods.

[pvarangot]

I lived in a shared house in the Mission and the neighborhood is still safe enough so that you don't need that. We literally buzzed in anyone that dare ring and friends are still there and still do and never in the two years I lived there, one pandemic one not, we had issues with people wandering in unchecked and doing nasty stuff inside. The Bay Area insecurity thing is blown out of proportion. I'm in Noe Valley now and my drunk condo neighbor forgot the garage door open and it took like four or five hours for someone to actually take something from inside and it was a guy that was clearly not doing well, he wasn't even wearing shoes.

So in my experience so far bros in finance just out of college renting a 3 million condo are more at fault for stuff getting stolen from my property than the cops, the homeless and politicians.

[slices]

> my drunk condo neighbor forgot the garage door open and it took like four or five hours for someone to actually take something from inside

In most of the US, including many moderate size cities, a garage left open for 4-5 hours would not have anything stolen from it.

[pvarangot]

Yeah I'm not saying San Francisco doesn't have an issue with the mentally ill and antisocial chaps stealing from everyone, I'm just saying that my direct experience doesn't match what one would expect when reading headlines or outraged people on online forums. I lived in Argentina before and I was home invaded at gunpoint once, mugged on the street once, and fended off muggers on the street countless times, so maybe I'm just not a good reference because Mission St. between 16th and 24th was the safest place I lived in my life until I moved to Noe Valley.

[EricE]

So SF isn't as bad as the third world? Whew - what a relief /s

The amount of utter BS people in CA are willing to put up with never ceases to amaze me. Which is why I find it harder and harder to have any sympathy. At this time we might as well let it all burn down - maybe then people will finally get off their asses and vote for anyone other than the current crop of utter moron politicians that are literally destroying the state.

When CA goes from the most prosperous state to loosing enough pop to get demoted a representative in the House - you'd think that would be enough of a wake up call that shit democrat policies might not be such a good idea. But here we continue to remain talking about this stuff while nothing changes.

The faster it all just burns to the ground the faster it might get rebuilt into something that's not a literal needle infested pile of shit :/

[dragonwriter]

> When CA goes from the most prosperous state to loosing enough pop to get demoted a representative in the House

It didn't lose any population. Because of the fixed size of the House, you can lose a rep while gaining population (in California’s case, gaining more than 2.2 million between the 2010 and 2020 census.) Also, apportionment isn't tied at all to prosperitt; California didn't get any less relatively prosperous to lose a seat, so your “going from...” doesn't make any sense, even ignoring the factual error about losing population.

[barbacoa]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/california-population-drop...

California experienced a population decline in 2021, the first in its history as a state. That may be what GP was referring.

[pvarangot]

No, it's better than the third world. You are arguing with yourself, no one said it's as bad as the third world. I literally said it's the safest place I've ever lived in my life.

[stjohnswarts]

Yeah I leave mine open all the time when I go on store runs as I figure it increases the life of my garage door opener by a fair bit. I've never had anything stole (I have a camera system and alarm would go off if they had because of motion sensors)

[TheSocialAndrew]

In large cities on the east coast we didn't run into this problem because nearly every new development had a doorman.

In the Bay Area and LA many apartment buildings don't have a front desk, they have a leasing office that may or may not be open, and typically keeps odd hours.

With the exception of high-rises, new developments in SF and South Bay with under 200 units typically don't have a front desk.

They do have security patrol come in for a couple of hours nightly, but they're not supposed to get involved and just take notes of suspicious activity, then email it to the leasing office to review the next day. Security will call the police if it's blatant theft of break-in, but they rarely catch it because this is one person patrolling a garage and endless hallways for just a few hours each night. When the security patrol car is by the building entrance, they can return a couple of hours later to steal packages, break into the bike room, break into cars, open lockboxes, etc.

However, things got out of hand significantly during the pandemic. Package theft and mailbox theft started happening during daylight hours. At one building in Mountain View they stole the USPS master key as the mail carrier had the boxes open putting in the mail. One leasing agent was assaulted during a tour and the keys & fobs were stolen.

You can't fight this type of crime by having a security guard in every area of every building. The issue is rooted in that the thieves and squatters know that they will get away with it. The criminals became bolder and even if confronted by a security guard, they have no more power than your average citizen has. They can just observe and take notes.

[EricE]

Bah - SF DA's will not prosecute anything so it wouldn't matter if the buildings had doormen or not.

I'm not sure why it's so hard to for people to understand when you don't prosecute all crime, crime starts to bubble up and grow rampant but here you go. None of this is a surprise to anyone paying the least bit of attention to what has been going on in CA for a long time now. We are seeing in real time the effects of this grand experiment - how many people's lives and livelihoods have to be destroyed before CA residents start demanding real accountability?

I'm not holding my breath. Just stay in CA. Do not leave and then start to shit up other states with your batshit crazy politics too.