[est31]

Yeah you can basically arbitrarily expand or restrict the circle of people. If I don't use the internet otherwise but I go to a machine to buy myself a train ticket. The machine is internally connected with the train company's servers which might be in the cloud, so the signal goes via "the internet" for a short time. Does that count as use of the internet or is the internet just an implementation detail?

No you could say, because you don't use it at home and you use an appliance. But then is your grandma using the internet, because she uses a bunch of appliances, too? And someone who uses the internet through an internet cafe, something very common in some asian countries, wouldn't be "using" it either as they are not at home.

Basically all modern cars built in the last 5 years send telemetry data back to their manufacturers. Is driving a Mercedes EQS/Tesla usage of the internet?

[sharikous]

Are there still cars with no telemetry data? Believe me, this world is increasingly dystopian.

[cableshaft]

Up until two weeks ago my car didn't (or at least it didn't send any data anywhere, I know one mechanic hooked up an iPad to it to get some sort of real-time data from the engine once when diagnosing a transmission issue).

Drove a sedan from 2008. Had over 150k miles on it. Still drives fine, next owner might be able to get another 50k miles from it.

[madaxe_again]

Pfft, my ‘88 hilux is on 1,350,000 km. Drive train, engine, all original. The only stuff that gets changed are filters, glow plugs, tyres and oil, and the very occasional thing that goes wrong.

When it doesn’t work I can see what’s wrong by looking at it, and can fix it myself with cheap parts that are available everywhere. It’s cost me €200 in maintenance in the last three years.

Conversely I stupidly bought a 2016 truck last year and just sent it to be scrapped, as it has been absolutely nothing but trouble, has cost me about €8,000 to repeatedly repair, and it then still needed a new engine, computer, and gearbox - I’ve driven it maybe 100km and it just keeps falling apart.

They’re getting seriously good at the planned obsolescence bit.

[michaelrpeskin]

I drive an ‘89 4Runner which at the time was the same platform as your Hilux. I have the same experience as you. It just keeps running and thrives on neglect. I hope to never replace it. The new stuff is so poorly made.

I only have 300,000 miles, so you win on mileage.

[NoPicklez]

I think most do, but whether they phone home and use the internet is another story

[thecupisblue]

Cloudless telemetry? I think that is still most cars on the road.

[xyproto]

Perhaps "being able to search for a topic on Wikipedia" could work as a more exact definition?

[nefitty]

I used to read the encyclopedia when I was little, before I had the internet. Was I fractionally connected to the internet, as opposed to 100% unfettered Wikipedia access?

[pcthrowaway]

This would exclude people who live in China, but otherwise have access to the (restricted) internet.