[overallduka]

Actually this is true, I live in Brazil and European countries really try to dictate what we can and cannot do with our Amazon, nobody should interfere in our internal affairs, that region is the most underdeveloped region of Brazil because nobody has courage to face European lobbies.

Also, is clear that the anti-petro propaganda will slow down the growth of poor/developing countries.

[pvaldes]

> I live in Brazil and European countries really try to dictate what we can and cannot do with our Amazon,

Ok. Will you please return the money paid for conservation then?

[overallduka]

Man, the money they sent is not possible to preserve 1% of Amazon, they sent some millions expecting we would preserve a forest with the size of Europe.

If the world pays $100 per hectare it would be $50 billion/year sent to Brazil. This would make some difference, not the pennies sent here eventually.

You guys really don't know the reality of Amazon, nor the politicians there, and many here as well.

[Chris2048]

You mean in terms of conserving it?

[overallduka]

Yes, they said is to conserve it, but everybody knows that very poor people is not thinking about environment, but thinking how they can survive the next day, they will cut centenary trees to sell wood, they will extract precious metals using poisonous substancies, etc. Apart from the fact that they should care about their forests or what's left there(if any), they developed theirselves using their resources and lobby to Brazil not use his own resources because it will "hurt the entire world".

[Chris2048]

So the loss of the rainforest is entirely due to "very poor people"? They must find it hard to afford the tools to do so.

> they developed theirselves using their resources

Are there no other people in Brazil, except very poor woodcutters, who might have some other claim to these resources?

[overallduka]

I'm not saying that is just because of poor people, but big part is, another way they destroy it is due to fire, when they clean the terrain to plant next year, and the fire go out of control.

"They must find it hard to afford the tools to do so"

With the centenary woods in Amazon and the abundance of gold is not very hard to make money there.

There are the criminals as well, people who go to Amazon just to make money..and those should be hunt, but, since there are very big extensions of land is really hard to get those. Amazon is really huge, it's a Europe.

And since we don't extract the resources and use it to preserve the forest, there is no money to preserve it all. Wealthy countries love to complain but don't give the money necessary to preserve it ($50b/year is the needed).

A solution would be give the right of exploration to companies extract the resources in certain areas of land, get the taxes and invest in protection and require these companies to monitor a part of Amazon in exchange for the right of exploration. But since no one can touch there, is really a no mans land.