That gettos of socioeconomicly disparaged people lead to an increased crime rate, and over generations lead to a subculture that perpetuates the cycle?
Or that specifically making things illegal because they are popular in a subculture can over decades drive those subcultures to integrate an inclination to crime in general into the subculture?
We can't effect change if we aren't willing to talk about the causes for the problem, or even acknowledge the existence of a problem.
That according to the FBI, black people commit 5-10x the violent felonies of white people, per capita.
They’re a uniquely violent demographic and it’s unsurprising that their arrest statistics don’t match other demographics.
The statistical differences are a result of that underlying difference in rate — rather than anything about the police. No change in police policy except ignoring violent felonies committed by blacks can fix the underlying per capita imbalance.
And no — that’s not a race thing, as shown by recent African migrants and other immigrants. It’s a cyclic poverty and crime thing… but that doesn’t change that there’s a correlation between violent felonies and race.
A correlation that gets carried forward into arrest statistics.
Not sure I follow the logic here. The FBI statistics you’re quoting pertain to arrests, correct? That requires police involvement. In fact, the FBI gathers its data from police departments themselves. So if there is a concentration of police activity aimed at specific communities those numbers are naturally going to be higher.
To my knowledge there’s no dataset on who actually does crimes regardless of police involvement (eg: including noninvestigated crimes)
You're correct, and it's very concerning that people flaunt arrest statistics without considering that important element: arrests don't indicate higher rates of crime, they indicate higher rates of enforcement.
What's more sad is that this is clearly fueling racism of the worst kind - I call it pseudo-intellectual racism. It's not the kind born of ignorance and cultural differences. It's racism that was reached through broken reasoning, resulting in one who believes their racism is justified, and thus, isn't racism.
So socioeconomic factors suddenly don't influence crime rate? Broken homes? Missing fathers? Drug epidemics? Rotten crabs in a bucket culture which disproportionately glorifies violence, drug use, misogyny, homophobia, none of these things influence crime rate? We don't even need to touch the subject of genetic predisposition to lower intelligence and/or aggression, which are scientifically documented facts.
Let me put it this way: would you willingly move to the ghetto, since as you imply these are friendly people just like you and me who are merely victims of disproportionate scrutiny by police?
Modern antiracism is a competition in mental gynmastics, built entirely upon denial of statistics and science. If you are going to acknowledge differences in culture then logical consistency requires acknowledging that certain cultures are more violent and criminal on average than others. That's the nature of our reality and to deny this fact is naive.
Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn. You know it’s bogus, give me a break. 400 years of slavery, hate, segregation, and economic discrimination is what has led to these “ghettos” with over policing and high crime. The cause is multi-generational poverty. You want to solve the problem? Then go support reparations in the form of extra funding for everything in the “ghetto.”
Right. To me you come across as a coward unwilling to be racist in the open. What is intellectual about what you said exactly? You’re ignoring history and the underlying reasons for things to support your cowardly worldview. And please, how did “we” all agree that it’s a “nonsensical assertion” that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing”? Are you saying there is overpolicing but that it doesn’t artificially raise crime rates? Are you saying there’s no under policing in higher socioeconomic neighborhoods? Are you saying every crime by a white person is policed and accounted for? And every crime by a Black person is policed and accounted for? How do you know all this? You must have a great dataset.
An opinion can be founded on incorrect conclusions generated from incomplete data.
Poverty + racism + the powers that be identifying black people as "super predators" and touting that they are more likely to arrest and more harshly punish black people for crimes != black people are criminal.
The system nurtures poorer black people to be more criminal than white people. It's not the nature of any group of people to be criminal or as a rule to intentionally flout societal norms.
There is no genetic component of that scenario.
Therefore, it is not that black people are fundamentally bad and unfixable. Any failings that you can find inexorably lead back to the flaws of the system itself.
If it is that the system itself is flawed and moldy and in desperate need of repair, and the people who refuse to so much as ponder whether there could be an explanation other than "black people are bad", well, it is safe to say that those people are in thrall to the powers that be, servants to the status quo; they are people who do no directly racist thing and yet, as if by a dark satanic miracle, are racist due to their own willful ignorance.
If you want to make the case that's loosely "bad stuff happening to you during childhood and adolescence will make you more prone to criminal behavior" (a completely reasonable one btw) there are better ways to go about testing that hypothesis than working backwards from FBI crime statistics.
Blacks are also about 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. If that's your only source of information, you would believe it was because blacks buy more marijuana, but that's not true. White and black use of marijuana is basically the same. This is why we shouldn't take felony statistics at face value for a demographic being "uniquely violent."
It's very easy to claim that you are not racist and that your views are based on statistics when the statistics themselves only show what they show because of the effects of decades of directed, focused and intentional racism.