[spamizbad]

Not sure I follow the logic here. The FBI statistics you’re quoting pertain to arrests, correct? That requires police involvement. In fact, the FBI gathers its data from police departments themselves. So if there is a concentration of police activity aimed at specific communities those numbers are naturally going to be higher.

To my knowledge there’s no dataset on who actually does crimes regardless of police involvement (eg: including noninvestigated crimes)

[z3c0]

You're correct, and it's very concerning that people flaunt arrest statistics without considering that important element: arrests don't indicate higher rates of crime, they indicate higher rates of enforcement.

What's more sad is that this is clearly fueling racism of the worst kind - I call it pseudo-intellectual racism. It's not the kind born of ignorance and cultural differences. It's racism that was reached through broken reasoning, resulting in one who believes their racism is justified, and thus, isn't racism.

[twofornone]

So socioeconomic factors suddenly don't influence crime rate? Broken homes? Missing fathers? Drug epidemics? Rotten crabs in a bucket culture which disproportionately glorifies violence, drug use, misogyny, homophobia, none of these things influence crime rate? We don't even need to touch the subject of genetic predisposition to lower intelligence and/or aggression, which are scientifically documented facts.

Let me put it this way: would you willingly move to the ghetto, since as you imply these are friendly people just like you and me who are merely victims of disproportionate scrutiny by police?

Modern antiracism is a competition in mental gynmastics, built entirely upon denial of statistics and science. If you are going to acknowledge differences in culture then logical consistency requires acknowledging that certain cultures are more violent and criminal on average than others. That's the nature of our reality and to deny this fact is naive.

[xphilter]

Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn. You know it’s bogus, give me a break. 400 years of slavery, hate, segregation, and economic discrimination is what has led to these “ghettos” with over policing and high crime. The cause is multi-generational poverty. You want to solve the problem? Then go support reparations in the form of extra funding for everything in the “ghetto.”

[twofornone]

>Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn

That's slimy, anti-intellectual reasoning. The fact that an opinion is unpopular with the mob does not imply that it is wrong.

In any case at least we've moved past the nonsensical assertion that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing.

[xphilter]

Right. To me you come across as a coward unwilling to be racist in the open. What is intellectual about what you said exactly? You’re ignoring history and the underlying reasons for things to support your cowardly worldview. And please, how did “we” all agree that it’s a “nonsensical assertion” that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing”? Are you saying there is overpolicing but that it doesn’t artificially raise crime rates? Are you saying there’s no under policing in higher socioeconomic neighborhoods? Are you saying every crime by a white person is policed and accounted for? And every crime by a Black person is policed and accounted for? How do you know all this? You must have a great dataset.

[scollet]

Throw in phrenology to the cocktail and you have a textbook hypocrite.

[twofornone]

You are projecting a lot onto me because you've been conditioned to have a visceral, fundamentally irrational, response to anything remotely fitting your definition of racism. There's nothing cowardly about speaking out against this sort of wokeness carefully enough to avoid being banned. I've said exactly enough to make my point.

200k+ years of divergent evolution, adaptation to drastically different environments, including geographically isolated interbreeding with other non-human homonids, lead to the same genetic differences that allow for accurate and precise geneologic inference from genetic samples, including the unique genetic makeup of african americans relative to other subsaharan african populations.

I'm not denying that history plays a role in the african american's plight. But you are completely dismissing the unpleasant implications of scientifically documented reality, blindly conflating the immoral nature of racial discrimination with the blatantly pseudo-scientific idea that genetic makeup does not influence outcomes on social scales, or worse, buying into the completely nonsensical idea that race doesn't exist. That's some 60 years of "one race human race" propaganda that you have heard for your entire life, so I don't entirely blame you for your naivety.

But evolution did not magically stop above the shoulders. The massive physiological differences - skeletal structure, musculature, heart/lung size, blood differences, body proportion, facial structure - are obvious. But although blindly virtuous individuals like yourself make it social suicide to discuss openly, these same differences are also quite convenient explanations for the variations in average achievement (and criminality) among various genetically distinct demographics. In fact we are aware of hundreds of specific genes, and their relative abundances, which are strongly correlated/anticorrelated with intelligence. Moreover we know of dozens of specific genes which directly and indirectly influence behavior, including the so called warrior gene which has been indisputably shown to completely change the metabolism of monomanines which directly influence behavior, including aggression.

Whether you believe that something is racist has literally zero bearing on whether or not it is a scientific fact. And architecting a society while blindly denying such demonstrated truths can only lead to suboptimal outcomes for all of stakeholders. Don't worry, none of this is an excuse to discriminate against individuals, because we are talking about statistical distributions.

But failing to acknowledge that such genetic differences have at least some degree of influence over disparate outcomes at scale in a perfect meritocracy is pure anti-intellectualism, and I am no coward for standing up to the woke mob.

[BizarroLand]

An opinion can be founded on incorrect conclusions generated from incomplete data.

Poverty + racism + the powers that be identifying black people as "super predators" and touting that they are more likely to arrest and more harshly punish black people for crimes != black people are criminal.

The system nurtures poorer black people to be more criminal than white people. It's not the nature of any group of people to be criminal or as a rule to intentionally flout societal norms.

There is no genetic component of that scenario.

Therefore, it is not that black people are fundamentally bad and unfixable. Any failings that you can find inexorably lead back to the flaws of the system itself.

If it is that the system itself is flawed and moldy and in desperate need of repair, and the people who refuse to so much as ponder whether there could be an explanation other than "black people are bad", well, it is safe to say that those people are in thrall to the powers that be, servants to the status quo; they are people who do no directly racist thing and yet, as if by a dark satanic miracle, are racist due to their own willful ignorance.

[spamizbad]

If you want to make the case that's loosely "bad stuff happening to you during childhood and adolescence will make you more prone to criminal behavior" (a completely reasonable one btw) there are better ways to go about testing that hypothesis than working backwards from FBI crime statistics.

[scollet]

> Missing fathers? Drug epidemics? Rotten crabs

> genetic predisposition to lower intelligence and/or aggression

> certain cultures are more violent and criminal

Anti-racism is a competition against your mentality. Why put in so much effort to make things harder for others?