[scoopertrooper]

That might work if the driver happens to be blind. But as I said, an attacker with knowledge of the use of hand signals to seek help would be alert to their passenger holding their hand up to window. So, they'd either restrain their passenger or threaten them to keep their hands away from the window.

It worked this time because we're in a local optimum of sorts where enough community members understand the signals to help and enough attackers don't know about the signal to prevent it from being made. However, as community consciousness of these signals grows (through articles such as this) attackers will get wise to the practice. Hence, they're self-defeating.

[egypturnash]

It could work even if the kidnapper knew it in cases like this:

* kidnapper distracted by other things

* kidnapper distracted by having been on the road long enough to be spending all their energy on "not falling asleep" and "paying attention to the road ahead"

* victim in back seat, partially hidden

* kidnapper has temporarily left victim alone in a place they feel confident flight is unlikely

If it starts to become too popular then once stories start spreading of victims who managed to escape despite their kidnapper noticing them using this sign, then new signs will be suggested and circulated. Asking a bartender/waitress if they can make a particular (nonexistant) drink. Blinking in a certain cadence. Crossing your arms and tapping your upper arm five times. Whatever. Language evolves.

I've been in the women's bathroom in bars and seen signs posted out of view from outside that say "if you need help escaping from the person you are with, say this innocuous but specific phrase to the staff". This was long before TikTok existed, and maybe before this gesture existed - I dunno, maybe I just never got shown it.

[scoopertrooper]

The problem with all these sertipious signals is that there would essentially be so many of them that all kind of innocuous behaviour could be misinterpreted and people would become unsure and it'd all come full circle. It'd end up in comedic farce.

With regards to the bar examples, they may work in a constrained context where the victim is familiar with the venue. They wouldn't work in the case of victim being transported around under the control of their attacker.

[egypturnash]

The bar example works absolutely fine for someone unfamiliar with the venue: you go to the bathroom as you normally would, and you see a sign in there that says "hey if you're in trouble do this and we will help you out", then you come back out and you do that.

There is a sweet spot between "enough people know what this signal means for it to be worth using" and "so many people know this that my adversary knows it too". The signal this kid used may be about to cross the upper threshold soon, but it worked for her.

Surreptitious and obscured communication channels have been being created and getting detected for most of human history. Look at the continuing cycle of teenage subcultures creating slang to perform the dual function of marking a member of the group and obscuring one's plans from one's parents; look at Thieves' Cant; look at histories and manuals of spycraft. And those spycraft books will probably have suggestions on what to do if you're in a situation where signals just aren't viable, too; signals are one tool.

[darkerside]

It seems like you're approaching this like a spherical cow, instead of a real world problem. It's easier to discreetly hand signal than to say something.

[scoopertrooper]

There is nothing wrong with simplifying a problem to get at its essence, but yes it is important to accept real-life is messy.

I'm sure in a restricted set of circumstance this may help people (as it did in this story), but I sincerely doubt it'd lead to a material increase in kidnapped people being liberated.

It'd certainly be less effective than other interventions such as cracking down on people trafficking networks or poverty reduction programmes.

The expressiveness of hand gestures (in general) is quite limited and any gesture used for covert communication must make a tradeoff between conspicuousness to the public and conspicuousness to the attacker. This limitation restricts the situations in which they can be made and results in gestures that could be easily dismissed or otherwise misunderstood and thus limit their utility.

[pferde]

I can't believe this needs to be pointed out, but it's not an either-or proposal. We can have signals such as this one, as well as efforts to curtail human trafficking.

[kortex]

> The expressiveness of hand gestures (in general) is quite limited

Clearly you've not met many sign language speakers. Or Italians.

This is a perfectly cromulent covert hand gesture. It has high coding entropy - I've literally never once seen someone make this gesture (outside of videos demonstrating it). Fingerspelling is not remotely similar since it's a sequence of codes in rapid succession.

[darkerside]

> I sincerely doubt it'd lead to a material increase in kidnapped people being liberated.

Sure was material to this chick

[iSnow]

It's not like the victim is losing something if the signal is widely known. It raises the stakes for the attacker who now also has to constantly monitor for hidden signals.

Yes, the attacker can strip-search the victim for smartphones and GPS trackers and then tie them down in the trunk, but the game is getting harder for kidnappers.