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by sgt 1700 days ago
Isn't a $0.22 dividend per common share quite low?
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Given that tech companies don't tend to pay any dividends, it's good.
There was a 4:1 split in July, 2020 so it's comparable to the $0.82 dividend Apple was issuing earlier in 2020.

https://investor.apple.com/dividend-history/default.aspx

Why does apple use aspx? Not only is that strange but does anyone really use that anymore?
It's an off-the-shelf product.

https://www.q4inc.com/products/investor-relations-websites/d...

Why do you think they should they make it themselves?

Well,

1) That would be very on brand for Apple

2) They're already in the business of making complex web pages, and this is the only subdomain branded with this tech, so why special case it?

> They're already in the business of making complex web pages

I think Apple are famous for not having this core competency compared to its competitors?

> so why special case it?

Why do companies outsource anything? Why doesn't Apple employ its own janitors? Because it's not what makes them money and their engineers are astronomically expensive.

Why would Apple not employ its own janitors? Their building is huge. It would definitely be more cost effective to have a janitor department.
Perhaps they don't make their investor relations pages themselves? Not exactly core to their business.
Apple uses Webex for meetings instead of some homegrown FaceTime, for the same reason — somebody else already built something that works.
No, since there was a 4:1 split last August. $0.22/share is historically high:

https://investor.apple.com/dividend-history/default.aspx

I don’t think it is. The dividend yield was in the 1.5-2% range about 10 years ago iirc.
They use mostly share buybacks to return money to investors.
I think, historically, Apple's dividends have been pretty low in general. Most of my dividends from other stocks are much higher.
You have to take the recent split into account.
Same as before. I’m surprised they didn’t increase it.
Dividends are not an efficient mechanism to return cash to investors. The recipient is forcefully taxed.

Share buybacks technically accomplish the same; the proportional increase in shareholder value should be the same. However, investors who do not want to recognize income that year do not have to; whereas investors who need the dividend income can sell a small number of appreciated shares.

I need to look at this more, but don’t dividends mostly return real current earnings where share buybacks are moving your return to future earnings which may never exist?

Also, many people are harmed by this tax treatment because a couple making 80k a year pay no tax on the dividend capital gains?

I am just saying dividends v share buybacks are not the same and have other effects.

Yeah. They're different. Dividends give you cash on the barrel each quarter that is very sticky about heading in a downward direction--but tax treatment is pretty much like ordinary income in most cases.

Stock buybacks may drive stock prices upwards in an unpredictable way that may lead to being able to sell appreciated stock in a tax-advantaged way a couple years out.

Theoretically, it's all the same after tax effects but we don't live in that theoretical world.

As the article says, it depends.
> Also, many people are harmed by this tax treatment because a couple making 80k a year pay no tax on the dividend capital gains?

Really? I am only aware that at least long term capital gains tax applies to everyone for qualified dividends.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12/how-are-capital-...

For the 2020 tax year, you pay 0% on long-term capital gains if you have total income of $40,000 or less; 15% if you have income of $441,450 or less; and 20% if your income is greater than $441,450.

Interesting, I never paid attention to that. I would guess the number of singles/couples earning $40k/$80k total per year or less and own enough stock to get material dividend income must be miniscule.
Dividend tax rate is the same as capital gains rate which is what you pay when you sell your stock if you've held it for a year.
AFAIK, the situation is totally different for non-US tax residents (for those without a tax treaty with US anyway).

Dividends are taxed at a flat 30% rate. Capital gains are not taxed by the US. At least that's my situation.

Companies that pay heavy dividends are a substantially less attractive buy in my case.

That's not true at all.

Dividends are taxed as regular income, unless they're qualified dividends then they have their own rate.

If you hold the stock for more than a year it is part of the qualification, and with some exceptions most will be.