[tartoran]

While I know chiropractice is filled with quacks, some of it genuinely helps people. I’ve watched a series on youtube where people with very bad posture recover then are unrecognizablly much better after a few treatments and it’s quite authentic as well. I don’t think banning it would be a very productive endavor. Homeopathy is kindof a quack but placebo isn’t so if people swear by it let them be, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

The only solution is education. Who gets something out of education can get better odds but at the end of the day people will do what the believe is best for them. Covid conspiracy theories and the reluctance to vaccinate is a very good example on how stubborn people are. Spending resources to fight against that is not the best use of resources imo.

[throwawayboise]

Yes it's one thing to see a chiropractor for back pain or posture, quite another to believe that spinal adjustments can cure disease or infection.

[FastEatSlow]

> While I know chiropractice is filled with quacks, some of it genuinely helps people

That could be the Placebo effect, but my opinion is very much biased by my experience of quacks, it's sad to see older people fall for what quacks write.

> The only solution is education.

My friend's sister is a nurse, so I thought he'd be more educated about it. Turned out that he's terrified of it now from her stories about blood clots.

[tartoran]

Sure but not old people fall for it. Some are skeptical of quackery because they are either better educated or experienced enough to have the intuition they’re being led on. Others don’t and their gullibility will make them victims in many other areas. Education is the only possible help they could get. Banning whatever quacky things will only make them more desirable.

[jiggawatts]

People say the same kind of thing about all of the others. "Traditional herbal medicine does help some people." isn't a good argument if it doesn't help most people and is downright harmful in a significant fraction of the cases.

[tartoran]

That last statement is also true for western medicine. Im not equating the two in no way btw but farmaceutucals have had their bad apples and caused lots of harm as well (definitely more good than harm, im not questioning that part). I wouldn’t personally reach out for chinese herb conctions but if some people swear by it let them have it.

[jiggawatts]

The problem is that some people swear by pangolin scales and rhino ivory.

[meowface]

Some of the techniques some chiropractors use are legitimate (whether or not the theories they believe about the techniques are), but the best thing to do is find a science-based physical therapist who also uses those techniques.

[olau]

I once went to a chiropractor with a bad lumbar.

She started off x-raying my back to check if something was really bad (it wasn't), then did her little grappling knee chiropractor thing (which felt good), then proceeded to use an electric massage hammer to loosen up the muscles. After a couple of treatments, my back was back to normal.

I found a stomach exercise program, and the extra training combined with much better awareness of the symptoms, which I think I got out of the whole affair, has kept me well since.

I understand why you are saying what you are saying, I was there once too. But I think you're underestimating something. The chiropractor who treated me spent most of her time helping people with back pain. You could hear she had a pretty well-informed idea of what was wrong with my back, probably because she had seen hundreds of backs like mine before.

And if you actually study what doctors and physical therapists are doing, a lot of it is 100% in the quack domain. For instance, they see one symptom and then immediately jump to a conclusion about it. I don't blame them. When I see people developing software, I can't say most of them are being very scientific either.

Your therapist needs to have a good idea what's wrong with you, and effective means of getting to it. The actual theory they have in their mind is less important. I'm not religious or spiritual, but I believe my decision to go try the chiropractor was rational.

[meowface]

I'm sure there are plenty of ineffective doctors/therapists and plenty of effective chiropractors.

I believe a genuinely scientific doctor wouldn't merely use heuristics and would use actual science and personal examination to determine the best way to treat someone's problem. I believe some who may who title themselves "chiropractor" possibly may be good at accurately diagnosing and resolving people's back issues, but with a chiropractor you take on additional risks, like risk that your chiropractor happens to be one of the many who believe all diseases stem from spinal problems and can be treated through spinal manipulation, along with many other pseudoscientific, untrue beliefs.

It seems the best professional would be someone who titles themselves a doctor and attempts to be scientific and empirical, without believing anything about spinal issues causing all diseases, but who otherwise fits the description of the chiropractor you saw.

It's true that someone with a false, unscientific theory may end up more effectively treating particular patients than someone else with a true, scientific theory, but someone who's both effective and has a true, scientific theory will surely be superior to the alternatives. I see no reason why a scientific doctor can't specialize in back pain, use x-rays, use the devices you mention, etc. I believe many do.

Perhaps at that point it merely comes down to semantics of the title they use and the school they went to, but the pseudoscientific associations are so historically strong that it seems like it'd be a red flag that anyone would want to consider themselves a part of that profession in the first place. At the very least, you'd think they'd want to "fork" it and take the good parts and leave the bad parts.

If I couldn't seem to find a doctor who meets those criteria I describe above, I'd possibly consider trying to find a chiropractor who seems to use a science-based approach, but only if I had no other choice.

[AnimalMuppet]

Well... chiropractors are fairly scientific when it comes to straightening out your spine. They have a lot of science (anatomy) and training, and at least the ones I've tried have done it pretty well.

Curing, say, asthma? Yeah, maybe not so much.

[dendriti]

You can't know whether your symptoms might have eased without any treatment at all...