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by downWidOutaFite 1702 days ago
If blm were the status quo the police would have been defunded.
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I think a couple cities did that, and quickly back-tracked because crime shot up.
Thats a robust and well researched opinion you have there.
He's not wrong, many cities defunded their police and then quickly reversed that decision, many adding more funds to their departments.

It was a pretty big event so I know we all remember it as long as you follow current events, but it's easy to find articles mentioning it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cities-reverse-defunding-the-po...

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/february/minneapolis-re...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/portland-mayor-addit...

Have you evaluated, or even bothered to seek out, the literature that disagrees with you?
That doesn't make any sense. It's not a philosophical view, it's an event in history and a matter of fact.

Cities defunded police departments, crime went up, some of those same cities then later re-funded those departments, and even increased budgets.

The crime statistics and city council laws passed support these claims, I have not found any claims disputing these facts.

Even the left most leaning sources agree with these claims.

The interpretations, not the facts, are what I’m referencing.
Hi, Minneapolitan here. I try not to wade into these sorts of discussions because it is usually unproductive or even counterproductive, but since you have expressed a sincere interest in talking about the facts of the situation, here’s what they actually are here.

The police budget for MPD in 2014 was $145.6M for 850 officers. In 2020, the year you suggest they were defunded, the budget was $181.9M for 770 officers—a 38% increase per officer from 2014 (28.7% after adjusting for inflation)[0]. In fact, that department is ending the current fiscal year $5M under budget[1], and the current mayor has proposed an additional 17% expenditure increase for 2022.[2]

The police in Minneapolis were never defunded. They have more money than ever. Efforts to introduce meaningful reforms (inaccurately called “defunding the police” by some) have also not been abandoned by the city council. We are currently voting on a charter amendment that would replace the Minneapolis Police Department with a new Department of Public Safety. The new department would still include police officers but would be coequal with all other departments in the city (it currently has a unique status where it is controlled exclusively by the mayor), and its focus would be on preventing crime instead of policing people.

On the other hand, other parts of the city budget are underwater due to hundreds of former officers quitting and claiming PTSD[3], and the officers who remain are engaged in an intentional work slowdown[4] while blaming others[5] for what is a largely self-inflicted wound.

What I think the other participant in this discussion was suggesting—and something that I would echo—is that your sources for news don’t seem to be giving you accurate information and you may want to reconsider using them as primary sources, at least on this topic.

[0] https://minneapolismn.opengov.com/transparency

[1] https://twitter.com/lisabendermpls/status/145018398771290931... (This is the Minneapolis city council president)

[2] https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/Download/FileV2/24988/2022-Bu...

[3] https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/10/06/mpls-police-ptsd-cl...

[4] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-poli...

[5] https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/10/20/mpd-cop-says-office...

No, it's not. It's a fact. Seeing as how you have the means to comment on Hacker News, you can easily fact-check this for yourself if you're concerned about its validity.
Which cities?
NYC, LA, Oakland, Baltimore, Portland, and Minneapolis at least

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9625629/REFUND-poli...

> The Democratic mayors of New York City, Baltimore and Los Angeles are among those now backpedaling on their vows

So they didn't actually do anything.

Some cities did defund in their budget, then reversed and refunded.

Some cities backpedalled on their promise to defund and added to the budget instead.

The existence of the latter scenario does not nullify the former.

Add Austin, TX, although there is a ballot initiative to restore the funding being voted on right now.