[dymk]

"People in Los Angeles Are Getting Rid Of Their Cars" is a headline meant to generate clicks, posted with no context, statistics, or discussion.

Are you a vegan? Hypothetically, how many people have to die due to the greenhouse gasses emitted due to your meat consumption? Have you ever served somebody an egg that didn't have a fully cooked yolk? Do you consume any single-use plastics? Do you use a compost toilet?

We could go on and on.

[BrianHenryIE]

> it's said people in Los Angeles love their cars

doesn't need a survey or study. Are you disputing the perception that Los Angeles is a car-centric city?

> Are you a vegan?

Yes.

[dymk]

> I tried to find the tweet, but it was succinctly put ~"it's said people in Los Angeles love their cars, but people in LA have no choice but to own a car, it's not love, it is necessity".

This is the part that needs a study or survey to back it up.

If we're just throwing around anecdotes, I've both driven a car and taken the bus in a city that was known for its mass transit, and the mass transit sucked compared to being in a car.

> Yes.

And how about the rest? I'm just making sure we're being consistent, and that you optimize all your life choices to avoid any possibility of harming someone, no matter how remote or indirect.

[BrianHenryIE]

You're being a contrarian.

Los Angeles is famed for its motordom.

Tell me, where are you from that that needs explaining? It's fascinating to meet someone from such a remote tribe.

[dymk]

Please don't insult me simply because I don't agree with you :)

I've lived in Sacramento, San Diego and Seattle. I've taken mass transit and driven a car in all of those cities.

In my experience, in every city, the mass transit sucked. Access to anything not on a bus line is effectively inaccessible without a car. The busses smell like urine. They don't show up on time. Mentally ill people harass me and my dog on a regular enough basis where it's more trouble than it's worth.

I love my car. I don't see it as a thing I'm forced to use, it's something I chose when given the option between it and a bus. It's a safe, climate controlled vehicle which is available at any minute of the day that I want it to be.

[BrianHenryIE]

I live in Sacramento. I've been in a car twice in the past 480 days, and not a whole lot before then (living since 2017 in Carmichael, Arden, downtown and East Sac., Fair Oaks for a few weeks).

I think what you're trying to say is "people will always choose a private air-conditioned car", but I'm saying car use is artificially high because other options are not feasible. Where it is safe and comfortable (i.e. away from cars) to make most of one's journeys (under 5 or 10 miles) by other means, people choose non-car options at a higher rate than people in LA (or Sac etc) are choosing.

You are being obtuse by asking for journal references where they're not needed (this isn't a conference, it's a conversation in the comment section on a website).

[dymk]

Look, I get we're coming at this from different viewpoints, but you can't tell me that I'm the one being obtuse after you interrogate me with some inane hypothetical about how many people I'd be comfortable with killing through my car use.

I'm asking for you to back up the claim that people in LA hate their cars, not that cars aren't the most popular form of transport there. People hate _traffic_, not their cars. I live somewhere with low traffic. Best of both worlds.

Sure, it would be great to have better public transit options in LA. But I'd wager (because we're going off of our theory of mind intuition, and not polls) that people would prefer their cars to bus transport, even in LA.