[dymk]

“It’s said that” is not the same as “polls show” and then linking to a source

LA is also cherry picked to be one of the worst places for cars. It’s legendary for its traffic.

Writing in from the PNW where I wouldn’t trade my car, and the freedom it gives me and my friends and my dogs to travel, for anything.

[BrianHenryIE]

I gotta hand it to you, in response I searched DuckDuckGo for:

"people in los angeles love their cars"

and the top result was

"People in Los Angeles Are Getting Rid Of Their Cars"

Hypothetically, if one person had to die every time you used your car (for your dogs to travel or whatever) would you stop using your car? How about if it were one person for every 1000 journeys. What if every single journey you made in your car had a very small and undeniable contribution to the deaths of people you live around, would you stop then?

[dymk]

"People in Los Angeles Are Getting Rid Of Their Cars" is a headline meant to generate clicks, posted with no context, statistics, or discussion.

Are you a vegan? Hypothetically, how many people have to die due to the greenhouse gasses emitted due to your meat consumption? Have you ever served somebody an egg that didn't have a fully cooked yolk? Do you consume any single-use plastics? Do you use a compost toilet?

We could go on and on.

[BrianHenryIE]

> it's said people in Los Angeles love their cars

doesn't need a survey or study. Are you disputing the perception that Los Angeles is a car-centric city?

> Are you a vegan?

Yes.

[dymk]

> I tried to find the tweet, but it was succinctly put ~"it's said people in Los Angeles love their cars, but people in LA have no choice but to own a car, it's not love, it is necessity".

This is the part that needs a study or survey to back it up.

If we're just throwing around anecdotes, I've both driven a car and taken the bus in a city that was known for its mass transit, and the mass transit sucked compared to being in a car.

> Yes.

And how about the rest? I'm just making sure we're being consistent, and that you optimize all your life choices to avoid any possibility of harming someone, no matter how remote or indirect.

[BrianHenryIE]

You're being a contrarian.

Los Angeles is famed for its motordom.

Tell me, where are you from that that needs explaining? It's fascinating to meet someone from such a remote tribe.

[dymk]

Please don't insult me simply because I don't agree with you :)

I've lived in Sacramento, San Diego and Seattle. I've taken mass transit and driven a car in all of those cities.

In my experience, in every city, the mass transit sucked. Access to anything not on a bus line is effectively inaccessible without a car. The busses smell like urine. They don't show up on time. Mentally ill people harass me and my dog on a regular enough basis where it's more trouble than it's worth.

I love my car. I don't see it as a thing I'm forced to use, it's something I chose when given the option between it and a bus. It's a safe, climate controlled vehicle which is available at any minute of the day that I want it to be.

[forgotmyoldname]

I lived in the PNW and loved that I could take a bus just about anywhere. It was a big draw for me.

If it was a hellscape dominated by 26 lane highways and hours of traffic to get anywhere like many parts of the US, I never would've bothered moving there.

[dymk]

The whole of the PNW is not a city or specially designated hiking trail, and 99% of where you could go in the region was not accessible by bus routes.