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by bobbytit 1707 days ago
No, we are not complacent. If we leave our home detention to protest anything we are arrested. Where the fuck can I claim asylum?
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Ironically, Australians are currently not even permitted to leave the country!
I know of a family who moved to the US within the last 12 months. Has that been a more recent change that would've prevented them leaving at all?
Australians currently have to be granted an "exemption" to leave the country [1]. Moving to a new country permanently (with proof) qualifies, but just going on a holiday does not.

[1] https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia

(quote from that link: "Australia’s borders are currently closed and international travel from Australia remains strictly controlled" )

I was just getting at the distinction that it was a blanket rule. Slum it with the rest of us. You'll get back on the road eventually! ;)

Like you, I make money from travel, but difference is being stuck in AU suits me because it's where I have my contacts!

You can apply for an exemption and moving your residence would normally be permitted.
Source please.
> Australia’s borders are currently closed and international travel from Australia remains strictly controlled to help prevent the spread of COVID-19. International travel from Australia is only available if you are exempt or you have been granted an individual exemption.

https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia

So you can leave? I know two people that left.
With the US keeping the land border closed, it will soon be impossible to leave Canada without being vaccinated (or bribing a border guard).
It's a forgone conclusion that no country in the world will let you in without proof of COVID vaccination.

This has been the status quo for dozens and dozens of countries around the world with regards to for example Yellow Fever Vaccination, so it's nothing new at all. Many people just didn't know about it because they never tried to go to those countries before (West Africa is my personal experience)

> It's a forgone conclusion that no country in the world will let you in without proof of COVID vaccination.

There are countries that require all arrivals to quarantine regardless of vaccination status. I live in one of them (Taiwan).

The issue with COVID vaccination is that it's still possible to become infected and transmit the virus to others even if you're vaccinated, so requiring vaccination for arrivals is a good way for countries to reduce the risk of arrivals getting seriously ill and burdening their healthcare systems, but it doesn't at all prevent the virus (including possibly new variants) from being introduced into their populations.

The science shows that neutralizing antibody levels wane quickly after COVID vaccination, and with Delta, this appears to be what's causing large numbers of breakthroughs. For example, we had a case here recently where an ostensibly healthy airline pilot in her 40s caught a Delta breakthrough case just 2 months after she received her second Moderna jab.

A single jab of yellow fever vaccine on the other hand provides lifelong protection and we have decades of data showing its efficacy. Also of great importance to note: unlike SARS-CoV-2, yellow fever does not transmit directly from person to person.

Oh sure, some countries may also require quarantine before you can enter, and obviously that will vary by country.

I'm just saying they will all require proof of vaccination for covid to be allowed in.

> I'm just saying they will all require proof of vaccination for covid to be allowed in.

And again, I'm just saying that this doesn't stop the introduction of the virus into the population, which is ostensibly the primary reason for requiring vaccination.

And what constitutes "vaccination"? 2 jabs? 3? 4? How are you going to verify vaccination records when most people are just getting cards that can easily be forged? What about people who have been vaccinated with a vaccine not approved for use in your country?

SARS-CoV-2 is well on its way to becoming endemic. There's likely to be a temporary phase where quarantines and/or proof of vaccination are required but this isn't going to be permanent.

"nothing new at all" lol. When I was a kid you could cross the border into Canada without even showing a passport.