[quantumsolace]

You're comparing a car built, as far as I can tell, for a single lap with no formula (i.e. anything goes) to a LeMans 24 hr car.

Also, the full 22.8km Nordschleife record is Niki Lauda's in a 45 year old Formula (i.e. w/ rules) F1 car - 6:55. The VW's record is for the 20.8 km circuit. No F1 car has raced either the 20 or the 22 km Nordschleife since Lauda's crash. An any F1 car since the mid 90s would demolish any track record for any configuration of the track.

[clouddrover]

> You're comparing a car built, as far as I can tell

No, I'm comparing battery electric propulsion to supercars and hypercars, which is what the thread is about. Remember the claim is "a lot of factors against EVs for super/hypercars". Here are some definitions for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes/matt-priors...

The point is battery electric propulsion is clearly in the realm of supercars today. Here's an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE_w1-5eHgI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4orCB71BgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8

> Also, the full 22.8km Nordschleife record is Niki Lauda's in a 45 year old Formula (i.e. w/ rules) F1 car - 6:55. The VW's record is for the 20.8 km circuit.

The VW ID.R completed its lap in 365 seconds. That's an average of 1 km every 17.55 seconds. Add on the extra 35 seconds for the extra 2 km, or even add on an extra 45 seconds, and the ID.R still beats Niki. Sorry.

[sbakzbsmx]

You compared an ID.4 to a LeMans car. Neither of them are hypercar or supercars. Theyre purpose built racecars.

“ The point is battery electric propulsion is clearly in the realm of supercars today. Here's an example:”

No, they dont. They can only compete on a very restricted space: straight line speed, or a single lap. The competition is always tailored to deal with the same problem: they’re heavy.

“ The VW ID.R completed its lap in 365 seconds. That's an average of 1 km every 17.55 seconds. Add on the extra 35 seconds for the extra 2 km, or even add on an extra 45 seconds, and the ID.R still beats Niki. Sorry.”

You either break the record or you don't. Theres no “could possibly if I do a linear fit”.

Linear fit? Really?

But lets keep it linear. Niki’s record is 45 years old on a longer, more difficult track on a car made to last a 2 hr race and not custom built for that one track, and not made of carbon fiber.

Im supposed to be impressed compared to the Ferrari?

Here’s F1 dirty secret:

Since the 1930s (!!) the cars have been faster than human reflexes. F1 rules, for almost 100 years, have been about slowing the cars down.

Good for VW, great accomplishment, but its good for an electric car. Good despite being an electric car. Good for within their competition space. But the ICE has too much of a weight advantage.

[clouddrover]

> You compared an ID.4 to a LeMans car.

Nope, I never mentioned the ID.4.

> They can only compete on a very restricted space

Supercars are a very restricted space. That's why they're so expensive and produced in such low numbers. People don't buy them to do grocery shopping.

> Linear fit? Really?

Yes. You should check the circuit layout between 1975 and now.

> F1 rules, for almost 100 years, have been about slowing the cars down.

False. F1 lap times have increased at historic circuits. In 1991 Aryton Senna qualified at Monaco with a time of 1:20.344. In 2021 Lewis Hamilton qualified at Monaco with a time of 1:10.346.

In 2020 Lewis Hamilton set a new record for the highest average speed around Monza:

https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/05/264-362kph-the-stats-of-...

[elif]

what would be demolished is the carbon fiber aero at the first carousel.