[quantumsolace]

Can't edit my original answer any more, but I just wanted to state that:

- I think every proposition (not just sentence) of this comment is wrong.

- Tesla, not only didn't break the lap record (they only broke the EV record) which is ridiculous, but the Ring is probably the best suited lap for an EV: large track with mostly long straights or gentle curves. Try breaking the lap record at Suzuka.[1]

- Even if Tesla had the record, a single lap is hardly a fair comparison to a Ferrari or a McLaren. The Tesla couldn't do 30 laps before taking 4 hours to recharge. Those ICE cars are raced in LeMans 24. That's 24 hr. straight of driving. I'd love to see a Tesla compete in that.

[1] Full respect to the Ring - see Rush's explanation for it in the link bellow. But the Ring Niki did in under 7 minutes [2] in the 1970s is not the ring of today, and the prime difficulty of the Ring is that it's so long that

a. Weather conditions are different around the track

b. No driver can really learn the track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjyIrLKgbbA

[2] Niki's record still stands today because the original, much longer, ring is no longer.

[elif]

"No driver can really learn the track"

you cannot be serious... I've done nordschliffe over a hundred times in simulator... every corner is memorized... i'm not even amateur let alone professional

I'm also waiting for someone to find a faster 4 door time, my original comment that everyone is ignoring to teardown a strawman "fastest car ever" argument no one made

[foepys]

> I'm also waiting for someone to find a faster 4 door time, my original comment that everyone is ignoring to teardown a strawman "fastest car ever" argument no one made

Didn't you read my previous comment? Porsche Panamera Turbo S is the answer, just look at the official Nordschleife Records Database.

Tesla Plaid: 7:35.579

Porsche Panamera Turbo S: 7:29.81

The Porsche did it in 2020, Tesla in 2021. The Porsche is also a 4 door car.

[elif]

I agree that 5.7 seconds separates these two cars.

But they are also separated by these https://www.summitracing.com/parts/MHL-51138

We will see if that 5.7s is comfortable enough when the tesla also has a rollcage and racing tires...

until then it's speculative which is faster.. since it's been 2 years, surely we have some Porsche times with stock tires you can share???

[elif]

Also its kinda funny to argue 'electric cars are slower' when your example is a car which did 7:38, changed nothing about the engine but added electric power, and now does 7:29

[sbakzbsmx]

Alfa Romeo Quadriglio, 7:32

Theres also a few M3 reports, but I cant tell which ones are stock

https://www.alvolante.it/news/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio...

Also, consider that the weight penalty for an EV four door is less than for a two door. Which makes sense, electric propulsion has always made sense for heavier vehicles

[sbakzbsmx]

Simulator appears to be quite the qualifier. Try doing it with G-forces ripping you off your seat and with your life on the line.

Lauda almost killed himself there. Toto Wolf almost killed himself there.

Are you sure you know the Nordschlieffe better than those two blokes?

[elif]

also LOL no one does the nurburgring with 30 laps of fuel... they all fuel down... i'm not sure what you're on about there.

moving the goal to endurance racing is interesting choice... because this conversation is about the performance capabilities of a car... not about the best cruising vehicle or enduro series winner...

It's almost as if off-track performance of refueling speed is the only metric left for clear ICE dominance?