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"No driver can really learn the track"

you cannot be serious... I've done nordschliffe over a hundred times in simulator... every corner is memorized... i'm not even amateur let alone professional

I'm also waiting for someone to find a faster 4 door time, my original comment that everyone is ignoring to teardown a strawman "fastest car ever" argument no one made

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> I'm also waiting for someone to find a faster 4 door time, my original comment that everyone is ignoring to teardown a strawman "fastest car ever" argument no one made

Didn't you read my previous comment? Porsche Panamera Turbo S is the answer, just look at the official Nordschleife Records Database.

Tesla Plaid: 7:35.579

Porsche Panamera Turbo S: 7:29.81

The Porsche did it in 2020, Tesla in 2021. The Porsche is also a 4 door car.

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I agree that 5.7 seconds separates these two cars.

But they are also separated by these https://www.summitracing.com/parts/MHL-51138

We will see if that 5.7s is comfortable enough when the tesla also has a rollcage and racing tires...

until then it's speculative which is faster.. since it's been 2 years, surely we have some Porsche times with stock tires you can share???

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Also its kinda funny to argue 'electric cars are slower' when your example is a car which did 7:38, changed nothing about the engine but added electric power, and now does 7:29

[sbakzbsmx]

Alfa Romeo Quadriglio, 7:32

Theres also a few M3 reports, but I cant tell which ones are stock

https://www.alvolante.it/news/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio...

Also, consider that the weight penalty for an EV four door is less than for a two door. Which makes sense, electric propulsion has always made sense for heavier vehicles

[sbakzbsmx]

Simulator appears to be quite the qualifier. Try doing it with G-forces ripping you off your seat and with your life on the line.

Lauda almost killed himself there. Toto Wolf almost killed himself there.

Are you sure you know the Nordschlieffe better than those two blokes?