[jokethrowaway]

I disagree, it's all a perception issue. The authoritarian part of population (including the government, obviously, and mainstream media) conflate people who don't want to take vaccines for various reasons with people who believe conspiracy theories about vaccines. I talked at length with these people and it's almost comical how wrong and ignorant they are. They are also very few an apart, some were homeless, other were xanax and wine soccer moms.

The rest of people who don't want to take the vaccine recognise the goods the vaccine can do but: - They don't care about avoiding mild covid effects if they think they're healthy enough - They don't know which long term effects mRNA vaccines will have, if any (10+ years) - They oppose compulsory or practically compulsory (if I can't travel or visit a bar, it's practically compulsory) vaccines for a disease with a sub 1% mortality rate, which keeps having different variants which drop vaccine efficacy, which still requires you to wear a mask not to transmit it.

As it is right now, the only reason to take the vaccine is not to feel covid symptoms / reduce the damage to your organs by covid, which is a decent reason.

I got covid towards the beginning of the "two weeks lockdown to flatten the curve turned in 1.5 years", I felt flu-like bad but barely had any issues. Yet last summer I was forced to vaccinate because proof of recovery older than 6 months is worthless to travel and to spend hundreds in useless covid tests. I also had zero symptoms after both vaccinations, probably because my body already knew how to fight it.

Sure, the government really makes it harder and harder to believe in anything they say, but the number of conspiracy nuts remained constant. It's just that society started calling people who care about individual freedom, conspiracy nuts (on top of nazi and white supremacists).

[pcwalton]

> As it is right now, the only reason to take the vaccine is not to feel covid symptoms / reduce the damage to your organs by covid, which is a decent reason.

This is obviously false antivax nonsense. The COVID vaccine, by and large, prevents you from dying or ending up in the ICU.

> It's just that society started calling people who care about individual freedom, conspiracy nuts (on top of nazi and white supremacists).

Or we're just tired of people buying into antivax propaganda and dying and wasting hospital resources?

[fredros]

Should we then force people to eat less with a « eat pass »?

Obesity is even more wasteful of hospital resources.

[pcwalton]

If solving obesity were as effortless as getting two free widely-available shots? Absolutely, we would want to mandate them.

[yetihehe]

Obesity is not that contagious.

[tekknik]

Well then let’s bring out the big guns. HIV/AIDS patients. How do we keep those people from transmitting their disease? Should we force them to isolate and potentially even form their own cities?

[yetihehe]

Again, it's not THAT contagious. Aids doesn't spread through air or simple touch. And those with aids still can use condoms (for sex) or handlers can use gloves (when hiv patient has wounds).

The main problem with covid is the tempo it spreads. Covid symptoms are not that bad, most of victims survive, but because it spreads so fast, that ~5 percent of hard cases can overwhelm a country. THAT is the problem, but almost no one adresses it in comments on forums, instead they give comparisons to other diseases which have completely other problems.

[tekknik]

> Again, it's not THAT contagious.

It's very contagious if you come in contact with certain bodily fluids. ORs, and traditional rooms in hospitals are sterilized with bleach after a stay from an HIV positive patient. There's even plenty of stories of Dr's and surgeons contracting it when they've slipped with a scalpel or needle.

Further are you 100% confident people are not bleeding on shared surfaces and that other people do not come in contact with this? In SF I once saw a woman slip in a homeless person's urine, with her hitting the sidewalk and breaking skin with her arm in the urine. Wanna play guess the disease there?

> The main problem with covid is the tempo it spreads.

Great so self isolate since you're scared. In fact I see most of the problem being with the vaccinated thinking they're totally safe, and not using a mask. They still get the virus, still spread it, and yet they think they're not the problem.

[JumpCrisscross]

> How do we keep those people from transmitting their disease?

PrEP exists. But it’s costly and tedious. When we have an HIV vaccine that’s free and two shots, yes, it would make sense to restrict those who choose to be infected.

[tekknik]

Using this logic, why did we isolate prior to having a vaccine?

[nkozyra]

> As it is right now, the only reason to take the vaccine is not to feel covid symptoms / reduce the damage to your organs by covid, which is a decent reason.

Well, no

It reduces severity and incidence of disease. Yes, you can still get covid if you encounter SARS-Cov-2. But you are less likely to. And if you are less likely to get the disease, you reduce the risk of infection to others.

[adamiscool8]

I thought the trials only confirmed a reduction in symptomatic incidence?