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by stewartbutler 1756 days ago
This idiocy is killing people. Stop peddling it. Get the vaccine.
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How do you jump from open mindedness about anti viral treatments to not getting the vaccine?

I don't get where the anti-anti-viral for treatment comes from. We know the vaccine is not 100% effective. Why are you against also having medicines for when people get sick?

Medicines for when people get sick are great. Everybody loves those. However this medicine doesn't work for this sickness, as has been shown here, in this very study.

How do you jump from a scientific study telling you something doesn't work, to "open mindedness about anti viral treatments"? Ivermectin is ley-lines and crystals for the 21st century.

This study did not use ivermectin like a normal antiviral dosage, I don't think it's conclusive.

You can't take one meta study and make claims that it doesn't work. What happened to the randomized controlled trials argument?

Except ivermectin won the 2015 Nobel prize in medicine.

The minute crystals win the Nobel prize in medicine, let me know. I’ll buy a nice stock.

Not for treating COVID-19 though. You're obviously unaware, but the 19 in COVID-19 is the year it was first discovered. The 2015 Nobel prize happened in 2015, again, the clue is in the name.
You compared it to crystals, which are not recognized by the scientific community for anything.

As you can see from my posted study, there is a lot of evidence that ivermectin is efficacious against covid, and some that it isn’t. I suspect those are similar to the now retracted study denigrating Hydroxychloroquine

Oh antivax has many more causes than just ivermectin. Many religious fundamentalists think it's the mark of the beast, and anti-goverment people are against it for reasons that have nothing to do with ivermectin, or just the fact that the vaccine companies are shielded from immunity.
Get both?
Ivermectin has a lot more side effects and no proven effect on Covid-19. So no, don't take it for this reason.

It gets worse when people use the doses intended for horses and cows.

Citation needed for “more side effects” this is a Nobel prize winning drug which has a markedly safe profile. Not like the vaccines which fda admits have no long term data available.
Just google Ivermectin. There is no shortage of information. No sane honest person can portray that list of side effects as less than those seen with the vaccine. There is no such thing as a "safe" medication, it's always a risk-benefit analysis and dose-dependency.

It is complete insane bullshit to believe those vaccines might somehow exhibit "long term" side effects that have eluded the whole world for more than six months after hundreds of millions of applications. No vaccine has ever done that, not even those who didn't make it through clinical trials.

If you stated that 2nd paragraph at an FDA meeting you’d be laughed out of the room.

Voixx was pulled from the market 5 years after approval when they finally determined it caused heart attacks. It took a lot of work to figure that out. There a multiple examples of fatal or severe side effects popping up years later. And every single one said “weve never seen it before” or “there is no scientific reason it should do that”.

The landscape is littered with drugs where people waved their hands and said “there is no way this drug is harmful” and that we’re subsequently found to be so.

Not saying people shouldn’t get vaccinated, I did. But your claim is ridiculous.

Note: you are talking about drugs, not vaccines. There is a big difference in how they act and especially in the frequency they are given. This results in significant differences in the associated risks.

And even then, in the case of Voixx it was a comparison against other drugs that ultimately made regulators pull the plug. Additionally, the manufacturer concealed the side effects, so the argument about long-term effects is even weaker.

The insanity is to be more afraid of unknown risks of vaccination than known risks of infection and the risk of relying on unproven treatments that are harmful or ineffective.
Actually there was that flu vaccine that triggered narcolepsy very rarely in young people after 12 - 24 months. But this is the only example i heard of.
Yes, but very rarely, and the cost/benefit analysis would still be positive, as compared to the virus that virtually everyone will eventually get.

Also that particular virus also caused narcolepsy, rarely, by a similar immunological mechanism.

The recent Ivermectin poison statistics are more than a little at odds with your "markedly safe" categorization.
It'd be useful if you linked to them.

Here's a human study referring to their safety. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

Those are likely related to people consuming the animal grade ivermectin, not the prescription based for humans.

More than 700 million people have taken ivermectin as an anti parasitic medicine. Something like 4B doses have been given. The WHO lists Ivermectin as an essential medicine.

"Essential" and "safe" doesn't mean it doesn't have side-effects. Both at the recommended dosing and above. Some people react to Ivermectin more than others.

That's why you should not be using it unless there is a clear benefit. For the 700 million people taking it as anti parasitic medicine it does have a clear benefit, but some of them still experience side effects, some of them even might have died.