[khazhoux]

I'm not trying to be insulting, but none of what you wrote is realistic.

There's no such thing as putting a promise of a quick-promotion into writing. No company would agree to that, nor should they (what if you suck once you start?). And I'm highly skeptical a company will agree to a milestones-rewards plan for an individual employee.

If someone wrote such a proposal and sent it to me, I'd immediately reject them in the hiring pipeline. And I consider myself to be a very employee-friendly hiring manager.

[jt2190]

> If someone wrote such a proposal…

So, in this scenario:

* hiring manager tells the candidate they’ll get a “quick promotion”, but only if they “don’t suck”.

* candidate responds with proposed clarifications of “speedy” and “suck”.

* hiring manager drops candidate from consideration.

Did I get this right?

> And I'm highly skeptical a company will agree to a milestones-rewards plan for an individual employee.

And yet hiring managers play fast and loose with employee expectations all the time, even if their company would never honor such promises as a matter of policy.

How would you propose a candidate determine whether the hiring manager is making promises in good faith?

[khazhoux]

The only answer is there's no guarantees, and Caveat Emptor.

One of the worst offenses is the one we're discussing in this thread: a HM or recruiter says "We're slotting you at level 4 instead of level 5, because we like to give employees room to grow." That's a BS line -- put me in at 5 and grow me to 6, then! If you hear this line, you just need to understand it's poppycock and make a decision from there.

But basically everything a hiring manager says about a position can turn out to be just wishful thinking on their part:

* The team is most likely not solving a big problem

* The company most likely does not work well together

* The position problem does not have huge room to grow