[zapita]

You’re going to spend scarce engineering resources reimplementing a Docker for Mac alternative, then roll out your immature alternative to 50+ engineers, instead of paying a few hundred dollars a month for a good product and moving on?

It seems to me you would be the one cutting off your nose to spite your face in this scenario.

[chrisandchris]

Assuming that you currently don‘t need any other than the functionality the free plan provides, and assuming all 50 engineers need a license, your „a few hundred dollars“ is actually $1‘250/month just for getting the same as before.

I understand (in some way) the decision Docker made but I am not sure it is the way-to-go. However, it is a very hard question and if I had to pay a monthly fee for each component I‘m using to develop a solution, one or the other project would not even start because it‘s not worth it anymore.

[yarcob]

That 50 people team probably costs at least 250000/month. Are you going to take away a tool that everyone on the team needs to save 1250?

Or put another way, how much time would you need to replicate what Docker offers for a team of 50 people? If it takes more than 25% of the time of a single employee, then Docker is cheaper (assuming your employee costs $5000 a month, which I guess is a lower bound for an engineer).

[chrisandchris]

No, I am not (that was also not my point basically). My point is that you are going to pay for a) something you got for free (as in beer) before and b) something you don‘t (maybe) need/want.

I think it is a very valid question how to monetize Docker (and all the other libraries we are using for free), but I am personally not sure that subscriptions to everything are the solution.

I am sure that this expense should not get into your way if you have 50+ engineers, however if you think that with all expenses…

[coding123]

The reason this move isn't popular is because it seemed like local docker development (for any size corporation) was always going to be free. If I personally had known this was in the cards I would have invested (time, money and effort) into alternatives earlier on. Instead they killed all the competition and are now demanding money. So yeah, this is the first move by Docker that has made me kind of mad at the company.

How does this affect consultants that want to introduce docker to large corporations but small teams? A lot of scenarios become crappy now.

[dralley]

> Instead they killed all the competition and are now demanding money. So yeah, this is the first move by Docker that has made me kind of mad at the company.

Which alternatives did they kill? The Podman tool ecosystem is doing fine and is closing in on being a complete replacement, and Docker Swarm hasn't exactly killed k{number}s.

[brazzledazzle]

"k{number}s" means k8s, right? Is this a reference or something?

[dralley]

k8s, k3s