[betahuhn]

Not out of the box no. You could fork and modify it, but that would take a lot of work.

Can't recommend Deta Space enough though, it is kind of like self-hosting it without managing an actual server!

[chrismorgan]

See, I wouldn’t call it self-hosted if you can’t actually… self-host it. Someone else’s server isn’t mine.

[riffic]

come on, let's be a bit more inclusive about the term "self-hosting".

For instance, I run a few apps in Linode. I manage the virtual servers, and consider myself to be a self-hoster of these webapps (Nextcloud, Drupal, PixelFed, et cetera)

These aren't necessarily my servers but at some level, they are.

[atoav]

If you can install it on any recent Linux machine it is self-hostable. If you can't it is not.

[Saris]

The difference is you know what you set up, and could move it to another server if needed.

This detaspace thing is like saying that Amazon S3 is self hosted because you can upload your own files to it.

[ocdtrekkie]

I would say your setup appears drastically more yours than Deta, however, which appears to only host apps on their own infrastructure. The software you're using is installed where you chose to put it, and can be installed in your home if you choose.

[chrismorgan]

It does depend a bit on what you count as a “server”. I’d definitely count virtual servers where you control the software stack entirely (well, apart from ring −1), provided there’s nothing special about the hardware.

[betahuhn]

I totally get your point! Instead of self-hosting, you could call it a personal cloud.

[vorpalhex]

My personal cloud is the rack sitting next to me, not someone elses box that other people are also hosted on.

[Krasnol]

You are not really helping yourself if you desperately attempt changing established words in a way that it would fit your business. You just alienate people and give yourself a bad reputation people will remember you by.

[jrm4]

Nothing personal, but we're getting entirely too fast and loose with definitions here.

Calling this "self-hosted" is flat out false. Cut it out.

[mynameismon]

Is there a pricing plan for it? I can't seem to find one, and I prefer knowing what am I signing up for upfront.

[betahuhn]

Space (and WebCrate) are currently free!

Even if they charge something for it in the future, the version of WebCrate you install today will always be free.

On Deta Space updates are also opt-in, you choose when and if you want to update WebCrate.

[vorpalhex]

How is the service currently being funded?

[betahuhn]

WebCrate is free since I as a dev don't run any servers and the data/compute lives with the users. I don't have any operational costs essentially.

Deta Space is just getting started -- their plan is to offer payments and take a percentage for paid apps.

[mynameismon]

Thanks!

[Saris]

It's not at all like self hosting it, sounds like it's just running on some servers located somewhere, and is completely unknown to the user.

I'm also surprised it's that difficult to convert to self hosting, it makes me think that detaspace has a very convoluted system for running things.

[betahuhn]

WebCrate uses services provided by Deta (like Deta Base for the database, Deta Auth for authentication) internally and thus can't be made available to run on any server without a rewrite of the backend.

Those services made it possible for me to build WebCrate in a short time and took a lot of work off my shoulders.

[CodeBrad]

I know not directly related to WebCrate, but it looks like the signup for DetaSpace is broken, so I am unable to try WebCrate.

When I try to sign up for DetaSpace, I get the following message:

> Exceeded daily email limit for the operation or the account. If a higher limit is required, please configure your user pool to use your own Amazon SES configuration for sending email.

[betahuhn]

Yeah sorry about that! I contacted the Space team and they are working on fixing it!

You should be signed up, but the confirmation emails are not going out. Maybe try again in a few hours!