[runako]

All major US credit card issuers. Many auto lenders. Most of consumer credit outside of mortgages operates without any real income verification.

Here, "large" runs at least up to $50k-$100k per lender without any meaningful income verification.

[rafale]

They usually ask you for your income in the credit card application. If you lie, you may be committing credit card fraud.

[runako]

A person may open a credit card at 18 and be given a limit of $2,000. That card may still be open 10 years later, when the issuing bank raises the limit to $20,000. Many banks do not even require attestation of income to raise limits like this. This is what I mean by no meaningful income verification.

Income verification is what happens when you buy a mortgage. It has nothing in common with the credit card process.

[lamontcg]

> If you lie, you may be committing credit card fraud.

It seems like we're heading for a society lying and fraud are engaged in and almost tolerated a lot more, and certainly where resources for enforcement are stripped.

[devmor]

Hence, the key word "VERIFYING"

[intended]

These issues are abstracted by the delinquency rate. Some X% will not pay on time.

By reducing the information taken, do we add sufficient additional users to overcome the X% loss expected.

[rafale]

It's a high trust process in a high trust society. Assuming that most people are honest, it works out well. Verification bogs down the process and may discourage people from applying. Clever fraudsters can probably pass that anyway.

[ballenf]

If you work for a large company or a small company using most payroll processing services, your pay is probably easily retrievable by any creditor.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/11/how-to-opt-out-of-equifa...

Even though the article is old, I saw my last few years' pay history in the links provided there.

Opting out feels like a devil's bargain: credit will presumably cost you more or be harder to get as a result. But there's no fine-grained way to choose who gets the info.

[runako]

Self-employed for many years. Anecdote, but I can tell you that my access to consumer credit has not been impacted in any way by my compensation not appearing in those databases.