[orangegreen]

It's not really about you. It's about preventing other, more vulnerable people from getting sick. Living in a society means giving up some of your freedoms in exchange for security, and getting vaccinated as a way to help other people should be part of that exchange.

[thepasswordis]

Why don't those people go get the vaccine like I did?

[jquaint]

Some people are unable to be vaccinated (due to legitimate medical reasons) and need to rely on others.

[xdennis]

I think some countries (such as the UK) recognize religious and ethical reasons. For example you can say that you're a vegan and can't take the vaccine because they're tested on animals.

But I'd rather be injected with a litre of smallpox than go vegan.

[jayd16]

Well, for example, if you have an a suppressed auto-immune system from other medication, the vaccine is ineffective.

[thepasswordis]

If you have a suppressed immune system from other medications, then other illnesses like the common cold and the flu can kill you.

This is why people who take immunosuppressants typically avoid going out in public, and when they do they wear serious masks intended to protect them from others.

[thex10]

Immuno-compromised people aren't some isolated hobbit species, they're people like you and me that have jobs, run errands, learn in schools, consume food, often live with other humans who have to go out in public, etc. And new folks with sub-par immune systems are born or created every day.

Many vaccine-resistant folks will throw this population away from the entire risk analysis equation, treating them as a mere error term. At least, this has been my observation. In my opinion they should just admit they don't care about the fate of others beyond the 'thoughts and prayers' passive level.

[jayd16]

You're just making things up. Lots of drugs screw with your immunity to various degrees and for the most part they live normal lives. This difference now is we have a very contagious and much more deadly disease.

[odessacubbage]

should the government prescreen all potential romantic partners to stop these vulnerable populations from contracting hepatitis or chlamydia? surely sexual freedom and bodily autonomy can be put on the bench if more people can be kept safe without them

[jjeaff]

Sure, if whatever they are spreading is feeding a global pandemic killing millions. If it's just a localized issue, of course not.

[thehappypm]

I don't agree with this, in general. We shouldn't give up our freedoms. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." (Benjamin Franklin) We should be motivated by a desire to help one another, and resist when freedoms are removed. That being said, if businesses want to exercise their freedoms to make life more difficult for the unvaccinated, so be it.

[learc83]

It's unclear to me that being allowed to work at a specific company without taking a vaccine is an "essential Liberty".

I don't believe that attending public school while unvaccinated is an essential Liberty.

[organic_popcorn]

I think this is for the most part what the person above you is suggesting. B2E and B2C relationships being severed over not getting vaccinated.

In addition like previous precedents, public schools would not allow the unvaccinated in the future. These things all combined would mean individuals would be having to change their lifestyle since they’re choosing not to participate in a way that’s safe for others.

[thex10]

That's a nice thought, but I can't cosign, unless Ben happens to also have an informed opinion on societal life under the tyranny of communicable diseases.

[thehappypm]

Ben knew much more about disease than any of us do.

[rootusrootus]

Well, Ben meant literally purchasing, not figuratively, since that quote likes to be given out of context. The vaccine is free.

[sib]

I'm pretty sure that Old Ben understood that, in order to live in society, he had to give up his freedom to steal, rape, and murder.

[thehappypm]

Embarrassingly false equivalence.

[halfjoking]

Exactly. Any business can choose to restrict unvaccinated. Any business can fire their employees for being unvaccinated if they want to.

The problem is New York will fine any businesses not checking vaccine passes and are forcing them to turn away unvaccinated.

Ok - so can the unvaccinated start their own restaurants of only unvaccinated? Can we open up our own hospitals with the nurses that were fired from mandates? Can we setup our own public transportation? Why not?

Is it because of the scare mongering about variants? Well people who took the vaccine are also causing variants, actually their supposedly super-high levels of vaccine antibodies are not stopping breakthroughs that much - so they are putting evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate and evade those antibodies. It makes no sense to blame the unvaccinated for that. So why take away unvaccinated freedoms to setup their own restaurants, services etc? That's not liberty for a business or anyone really, that's fascism.