[thehappypm]

I don't agree with this, in general. We shouldn't give up our freedoms. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." (Benjamin Franklin) We should be motivated by a desire to help one another, and resist when freedoms are removed. That being said, if businesses want to exercise their freedoms to make life more difficult for the unvaccinated, so be it.

[learc83]

It's unclear to me that being allowed to work at a specific company without taking a vaccine is an "essential Liberty".

I don't believe that attending public school while unvaccinated is an essential Liberty.

[organic_popcorn]

I think this is for the most part what the person above you is suggesting. B2E and B2C relationships being severed over not getting vaccinated.

In addition like previous precedents, public schools would not allow the unvaccinated in the future. These things all combined would mean individuals would be having to change their lifestyle since they’re choosing not to participate in a way that’s safe for others.

[thex10]

That's a nice thought, but I can't cosign, unless Ben happens to also have an informed opinion on societal life under the tyranny of communicable diseases.

[thehappypm]

Ben knew much more about disease than any of us do.

[rootusrootus]

Well, Ben meant literally purchasing, not figuratively, since that quote likes to be given out of context. The vaccine is free.

[sib]

I'm pretty sure that Old Ben understood that, in order to live in society, he had to give up his freedom to steal, rape, and murder.

[thehappypm]

Embarrassingly false equivalence.

[halfjoking]

Exactly. Any business can choose to restrict unvaccinated. Any business can fire their employees for being unvaccinated if they want to.

The problem is New York will fine any businesses not checking vaccine passes and are forcing them to turn away unvaccinated.

Ok - so can the unvaccinated start their own restaurants of only unvaccinated? Can we open up our own hospitals with the nurses that were fired from mandates? Can we setup our own public transportation? Why not?

Is it because of the scare mongering about variants? Well people who took the vaccine are also causing variants, actually their supposedly super-high levels of vaccine antibodies are not stopping breakthroughs that much - so they are putting evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate and evade those antibodies. It makes no sense to blame the unvaccinated for that. So why take away unvaccinated freedoms to setup their own restaurants, services etc? That's not liberty for a business or anyone really, that's fascism.