[deegles]

The science on this is clear, please update your stance.

Natural immunity is not as protective as vaccine induced immunity. It is in fact 2.3x more likely that you will get reinfected while unvaccinated, and a stronger immune response from the vaccine means fewer people end up hospitalized. See:

> Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

[peytn]

From your link:

> these findings cannot be used to infer causation

Do you have more data to support your claims?

[deegles]

Not knowing the mechanism by which something happens doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm not sure what you're asking.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

Previous time that "Natural immunity vs vaccine induced immunity", and vaccinating after COVID was mentioned on HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28107854

tl;dr get the jab

[infamouscow]

The reason for this global effort was because SARS-CoV2 was overrunning healthcare systems.

The CDC also said:

> Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated

> Among five COVID-19 patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated

In other words, 80% of infections that require hospitalization are from vaccinated patients.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> In other words, 80% of infections that require hospitalization are from vaccinated patients.

That means nothing unless you also know what percentage of the population are vaccinated.

Since you're interest in this topic, I'm sure that you have seen this graphic before:

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1418952126244478977

https://i.redd.it/km870p4xn1d71.jpg

Originally from the Financial Times of London, sorry i haven't soured it there, they have a paywall.

Let's not misrepresent incomplete data.

[dotcommand]

> The science on this is clear, please update your stance.

You are conflating science with "stats".

> Natural immunity is not as protective as vaccine induced immunity.

If that is true and if the science is clear, then why is that the case? What is the biological mechanism behind that? Shouldn't natural immunity be better in most cases since your body is actually fighting the real disease? Since you say the "science is clear", can you explain the science behind it?

> It is in fact 2.3x more likely that you will get reinfected while unvaccinated, and a stronger immune response from the vaccine means fewer people end up hospitalized. See:

From your link...

"Finally, this is a retrospective study design using data from a single state during a 2-month period; therefore, these findings cannot be used to infer causation. Additional prospective studies with larger populations are warranted to support these findings."

So you say the science is clear and then you link to a study that explicitly says not to infer any causation?

You literally spread FUD and misinformation. As seems to be the case of so many invested in this covid narrative on both sides.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> Shouldn't natural immunity be better in most cases since your body is actually fighting the real disease?

And why should that be? Because natural is always better? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

Vaccines produce a different and sometimes stronger response than the disease that they mimic, as they are literally designed to do.

In answer to your question: no, there is no "should" about it at all. it could go either way. And when it goes the wrong way, people try to redesign the vaccines until it goes the other way.

There is some evidence that COVID vaccines produce stronger responses. Links upthread.

> You literally spread FUD and misinformation

Please check yourself before flinging that accusation.