[cblconfederate]

> there are a ton of open vacancies for remote work already available

Well no, there were actually very few pre-covid. For example it s very hard for a disabled person to be a lecturer, despite tons of them being great researchers, and i have seen it this year with my disabled friend who had an explosion of opportunities to present her work in conferences, since every one of them became virtual.

On-premise work will become work at a premium. Want a real psychotherapist, fine but it will cost more. On the other hand, virtual will be cheaper. The rest is market re-balancing. I m not arguing that remote work should be mandatory everywhere, but in certain domains where it's easy and feasible, yes, legislation could push for more adoption.

[JackPoach]

Sure, there were, but things changed. Can you tell me how you see this 'right' realistically being implemented in the public sector, which is the largest employer in the western world (government, agencies, schools, universities, military, hospitals, non-profits). I have two school children which were taught by Zoom and it was a disaster. As a taxpayer, I want my children to be taught IN PERSON in real classroom - because the results are much better. Pandemic - fine, we'll stick to Zoom, but if there's no threat, real classroom. Let's say you make it a 'right' so every teacher can choose how to teach. Suppose most teachers opt to teach remotely, while most parents choose in person in classroom education. What then? Your only option either to force those teachers who what to work remotely only to work from school OR hire new teachers, clearly stating that they will have to work from the class room. So basically, you don't solve anything.

Same with most other public work - let's take police. Yeah, if you are a beat cop, you've got to pound the streets. But you are a detective. Can't you say that you want to talk to witnesses and suspects from your home via Zoom? Sure witnesses might chose to visit the station, but you don't want to do interrogation in person, because you think that it can be done just as effectively from home. Or hospitals.

The more you think about it (at least in my case) the less idea of 'remote work right' makes sense. Option - yes, right - no. It simply makes things worse, not better.

If you don't understand it, try flipping the situation around. Try justifying 'the right to work from office' for a person like me (which is not totally true - I can work both from home or office, I just prefer office for social reasons). Let's say I get hired by Basecamp, which is remote only with no office. I then claim that 'work from office' is my right because whatever. It's just a type of spoiled entitled brat that am. Now Basecamp or any other fully remote company is forced to rent an office just for me and maybe a few others who also share inclination to work from the office. Meanwhile, there are a ton of 'office vacancies' out there that I could have easily applied to given my background. How is it fair to Basecamp?

[blowski]

Having kids myself, I agree that public sector education was awful over Zoom - and yet private sector education seemed to do very well. For me, that's the biggest risk of all - those who already have fast internet, fast computers, large home offices will benefit. If mass home working becomes a thing, those already living in cramped, poor conditions are likely to suffer so the former can avoid a daily commute.

[underseacables]

Can comment on the kids public versus private. My kids joined with other families to hire a tutor because the zoom classes for school were awful. Twenty kids, I’ve seen Thursday Thursday zoom meetings with 80 people be more productive. From what I understand the private schools had much smaller zoom calls, five kids what a number I heard a lot.

The older I get the more I believe in Cliff Stoll’s vision of education - one without technology. Zoom is convenient but it sucks the life out of learning.