[jkkorn]

Oh but AP did criticise at first...but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-edit...

Going back to the AlJazeera aspect: Qatar funds Hamas (one source cites 400m USD in 2014) AND provides the "right media coverage" through AlJazeera.

From where I'm standing it doesn't look like there is one sided propaganda

[throwaway210222]

> but the editor did admit there was a Hamas presence in the building

Ah, so its OK to drop bombs on the entire building then?

So, by extrapolation, if there is a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse in a school or hospital, then the IDF can wipe those out too?

Nice.

[jkkorn]

wait what's a Hamas teacher or a Hamas nurse? Look at Al-Shifa hospital. Built by the Israelis, today a hospital, rocket launch site, bunker and ammunitions cache all in one.

IDF's responsibility is to keep Israeli citizens safe(jews, muslims and christians). If someone across the border is using firing thousands of rockets at civilians then the IDF is going to step in.

Unfortunately the retaliation which will lead to the fewest civilian deaths will be bombing the launch site ( a civilian building).

What's the alternative? Mount a massive land invasion into a booby trapped hell hole?

[throwaway210222]

> What's the alternative?

A single multicultural country, with equal (ie. indistinguishable) rights and obligations (including Aliyah) to every 'type' of citizen.

Rather than just a first world playground for one faction.

You did ask.

[jkkorn]

I did! Although it was pertaining to "relatiation" i'm happy to offer my two cents on this as well.

Almost that entire sentence exists today in israel. Rights are the same for all israeli citizens. Israeli muslims and israeli jews have the same rights inside the state of israel. Muslims are the third largest political party (and are part of the current coalition), they are supreme court judges (heck, a muslim judge sentenced the jewish president to prison).

On Aliyah: Im not too familiar with how different it is to Aliyah as a jew then as a muslim, but it's more likely to be easier as jew. The general idea is that it's a jewish state. Most people here will be opposed to a jewish state, that's fine. Humanity has an awful track record with the jews, might be best to finally let them be autonomous.

"Rather than just a first world playground for one faction." Not entirely sure what this means.

> You did ask.

Yep :) and glad you did. Personally I think a two state solution is more viable. What I don't think is constructive is assuming that the entire onus is on one side. Takes two to tango, right? WestBank palestinians have had two leaders. Ever. Arafat was adamant about establishing power, while Abbas is eager to keep it. That's why he's completing his 14th year in his 4 year mandate. He keeps cancelling elections because if Hamas wins (like they did in Gaza) he will at best be exiled. Just recently he had an opposition leader assassinated.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/palestinian...

Fatah is hell bent in keeping the status quo.

Hamas is hell bent in destroying Israel. It's in their charter. They're way more extreme than Fatah.

Plenty of mosques in Israel, 2 million muslims there living peacefully. Can't say the same about palestinian territories where jews and synagogues are not allowedd.

It seems you'd just like Israel to take all the responsibility for the conflict, cease to exist and roll over. Hopefully I'm wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realignment_plan

[throwaway210222]

> 'same rights'

I said 'same rights and same obligations'.

You aren't equal (as in indistinguishably, truly equal) without both.

But a nice attempt to frame the conversation. [Do they send you on courses?]

[jkkorn]

>You aren't equal (as in indistinguishably, truly equal) without both.

If you live in the country the law is the same for everyone. No? Don't know what the obligations are. I'm not the "you" , clearly you're super knowledgable, go for it.

> But a nice attempt to frame the conversation. [Do they send you on courses?] Errr thanks?

Humanity has tried the whole "jews living under arab rule" before and it sucked. You can bash the israelis all you want but they're doing a much better job than anything a palestinian/arab rule would do to jews.

[radycov]

Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount? Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves. Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity.

[jkkorn]

"Maybe stop stealing land and attacking worshippers on the Temple Mount?" You know what the "temple" in temple mount is right? the dome is literally built on top of the rubble of two jewish temples. Jews can only go there on specific days+hours, aren't allowed to even pray. For extra effect: it's also allegedly where jesus used to go pray. Some people might argue that israelites are the ones who got their land stolen.

That place is over the top contentious. Of course I agree that attacking worshippers is wrong. No one should be cool about that. Nonetheless, worth checking the "attacking worshippers".

"Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan speak for themselves" Do they though? Sheik Jarrah is a private citizen dispute. Literally two groups of citizens deliberating on who owns what.

"Rockets don't just come out of nowhere for a recreational activity."" Yeah they do. From here it looks like you're defending sending thousands of rockets (unguided) pointed at civilians. Hamas has nothing to do with Sheik Jarrah. Hamas only wants to create more conflict so that it can justify it's existence. Have you read their manifesto? It doesn't want peace, it want's the destruction of israel. Doesn't seem very negotiable.

The entire movement is predicated on struggle and conflict. Not peace and harmony.

Unfortunately for Hamas, the rocket launches are a recreational activity.