[cheradenine_uk]

I wish there were a list for "effective actually completing your Kickstarter", wherein Holub took money for an "Agile video class" [1], which was supposed to be delivered in an Agile way.

That was 4 years ago. First the timeline got pushed out, then I rather gather he's just got bored and drifted on.

How ironic is the non-delivery of an agile training course, supposedly delivered in an agile way, that utterly fails to actually, y'know, deliver?

[]1 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1086486319/agility-with...

[dgb23]

From his blog[1]

> External pressure (accountability) and internal pressure (responsibility) are simply not needed in a healthy culture. As in a relationship, the word “accountable” is rarely, if ever, heard in high functioning organizations.

I can't quite determine if he is ahead of his time or a snake oil salesman.

[1] https://holub.com/noaccountability/

[Guthur]

Yikes, I've liked some of Alan's talks but I think he's gone a little of the deep end with this one.

For me responsibility is a key component of getting shit done. You do need an environment where fear is driven or so that if someone feels they can not fulfil they're responsibility they can come forward for support. But in my experience if everyone is responsible for something it often ends up no one is.

Accountability should not nearly be as negative and adversarial as Alan portrays though it is admittedly often treading a fine line. As a leader i try to be accountable for my area of responsibility and aim to filter external blame from the team. I encourage my team to be introspective about our processes and to continually improve, I definitely don't find finger pointing helpful.

[dgb23]

I think the key here is that responsibility is taken. It is a free act that one is aware of when assuming power. Has nothing to do with finger pointing but rather with fairness and trust. Making mistakes is human, admitting them is strength and leads to learning. I see more problems with ignoring responsibility than with taking it.

[jimbokun]

Could replace a lot of the items on that list with:

"Real artists ship."

[Aeolun]

> Last Post: Module 1 released, more will follow shortly

> November 2, 2017

Lol

[cheradenine_uk]

Yeah, right?

Don't get me wrong, I've found a lot of Holub's content to be great. I'm something of a fan in some senses, as it's given me a perspective to question some of the utter guff prevalent in the agile space (particularly wrt. things like Scrum and Story points). I don't buy some of it - things like cost of delay - but I'm always interested to hear more and I'm prepared to change my mind on it.

But.

Much like Dawkins, he ought to stay off twitter, as he comes out with crazy-town absolutist statements (like: if your organisation doesn't do X, then it's fundamentally beyond all redemption and you should just leave).

A recurring theme is there in that list, particularly (20), which is - to paraphrase - "give all your money to the agile team, then go away and you have no right to question what they're doing in any way, shape, or form - you just trust them to 'do the right thing' as they're the experts". No line management, no project management, nothing. Go away and leave me alone.

Now put that in context of a self started project that took nearly $15K, listed no significant risks "hey I already have most of this content anyway", has no external dependencies to blame and... completely failed to deliver. How can I take any of it seriously when the supposed expert can so utterly fail to practice what they are preaching?

[Graffur]

Did everyone get their money back? Either way that is quite embarrasing