[18pfsmt]

My attempt at understanding burgerbrain's comment leads me to believe that "we the people" are the victims, and our kidnappers are the government and corporate super powers operating via government action to provide legitimacy. While the Antisec people are trying to save us.

I'm not saying I agree, but that's my interpretation.

[burgerbrain]

Your interpretation is accurate.

Think about it, how many people in this world have actually signed up to be dominated by their government? Very very few (immigrants might count). Yet we don't question their authority because 1) we are used to it, and 2) every few years, they ask our opinion. Of course they know that they can safely ask our opinion because they know that we've already bought into the entire thing. It's like Patty Hearst participating in robberies. We mistakenly think that they protect us when in reality they are just exploiting us.

[gdcbyers]

So in this little metaphor, the people play the role of the hostages, the government plays the role of the kidnappers (lawless criminals) and LulzSec play the role of the government (the good guys trying to save you)

Interesting. Confusing, but interesting.

> Think about it, how many people in this world have actually signed up to be dominated by their government?

No one is making any such claims.

Your claim appears to be that the government is this "big bad evil uncle who just wants to rape you" or some such nonsense. Do all governments have issues with corruption, abuse of power and not honouring individual's rights: Yes. Has LulzSec exposed a single government (or private/corporate) abuse? Not that I can find.

Lets take a look at some of their releases:

62,000 random logins > Wow, that sounds like a very decisive and clear attack on those taking our rights roll eyes Senate.gov internal data > A copy of their apache config file, and a full file list (no real data, just the file names), I can only assume the documents they found would be so damming and pervasive that it would be wrong to release them....or it was just a publicly accessible site that had nothing to hide, not sure Pron.com user database > Clearly human rights abuses happen every day in the Pron.com offices....when they aren't watching porn Sony International and friends > I know they tend to make shitty stuff, especially music, but I have yet to have a single person be able to point to an action by sony that could be called "dominating", "abusive", "unjust", etc PBS.org > Does this even need an explanation? PBS isnt some evil company out to fuck the little guy. Take a look at their scheduling, Sesame Street, Cat in the Hat Knows A Lot About That! and Seven Wonders of Ancient Egypt. So what exactly has the evil PBS perpetrated to warrant this?

Even the Fox.com hack appears to be their licensing portal for other channels to license their syndicated content. It wasn't even news related, it was the site that let my local fox affilate run crappy reality tv. Absolutely ground breaking.

> We mistakenly think that they protect us when in reality they are just exploiting us.

Really? Because you appear to be mistakenly thinking that LulzSec is her to protect you, rather then exploit you.

They broke into a private computer network, stole your personal information (not the companies, not emploies, but your's) published it without your consent, and encouraged others to use it to commit further crimes agents you. All for personal enjoyment. How exactly has any of their acts helped any real situation? How is LulzSec violating your right to privacy considered an acceptable price to pay for....for what, free porn?

[nitrogen]

Sony International and friends > I know they tend to make shitty stuff, especially music, but I have yet to have a single person be able to point to an action by sony that could be called "dominating", "abusive", "unjust", etc

Perhaps you are unaware of their removal of OtherOS or persecution of geohot?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2614698 (a previous comment I made on another article)

[burgerbrain]

"So in this little metaphor, the people play the role of the hostages, the government plays the role of the kidnappers (lawless criminals) and LulzSec play the role of the government (the good guys trying to save you)

Interesting. Confusing, but interesting."

Yes, you do seem rather confused.

"you appear to be mistakenly thinking that LulzSec is her to protect you"

I am under no such illusion. However, I do recognize that the enemy of my far far far more powerful enemy is.. well.. as good a friend as any.

[gdcbyers]

So the abuses LulzSec perpetrates are acceptable because they aren't as powerful as the big bad evil government? Or because they appear to hate the government as much as you?

I also could not help but notice you ignored my other points and questions, so ill sum it up.

How has anything LulzSec done been constructive to the cause you claim they represent?

[burgerbrain]

I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause.

It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons.

As for them attacking non-government targets? I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting, however since you asked: 1) See the above. 2) Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit. 3) Funny as hell.

[gdcbyers]

> I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause. > It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons.

You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you?

> I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting

Please quote me on unfounded assumption about you or your views

> Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit.

I think this is the most telling response you've made. You might have well as said "Human rights are not important, unless they are mine" because thats how it reads.