[burgerbrain]

I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause.

It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons.

As for them attacking non-government targets? I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting, however since you asked: 1) See the above. 2) Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit. 3) Funny as hell.

[gdcbyers]

> I don't claim LulzSec represents any cause. > It is offtopic, but I respect LulzSec specifically because I think they have the potential to drive home the concepts and ramifications of computer security, a topic which I find particularly interesting and important for personal reasons.

You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you?

> I didn't address this at first because you are making too many assumptions about myself for it to be very interesting

Please quote me on unfounded assumption about you or your views

> Doesn't effect me, so I don't give a shit.

I think this is the most telling response you've made. You might have well as said "Human rights are not important, unless they are mine" because thats how it reads.

[burgerbrain]

"You justify violating individuals privacy in order to further the cause of computer security? That is an acceptable trade off to you?"

Yes. Does that bother you? Because I don't care.

[gdcbyers]

Well, I think that about sums things up. burgerbrain doesn't "give a shit" about your rights, only his own! But we should still respect his option for some reason I can't think of right now.

[burgerbrain]

Oh whoa is you. I don't respect the rights of multinational corporations. The horror!

[gdcbyers]

I'm not talking about multinational corporations! I'm talking about the people, individuals that did nothing more sinister then reuse a password, who's personal information was released without their consent.

Whoa is everyone except you, who's rights you scoff at.

[wnight]

Not at all. Those people were hurt by the corporation not securing their information. They were hurt the moment they used the service. The hack didn't open an otherwise locked door, it just made public (to the likes of you) what anyone with knowledge of escape sequences and SQL could have already seen.

Lulzsec's hacks hurt the companies whose reputation was right-sized, but justly, and helped the people by exposing the weak security. I'd rather know my CC was leaked so I could cancel it than learn years later I'd been subtly overcharged while under a false sense of security.

Nobody is glad more people died in crashes before seat-belts, even though we're glad that we now have seat-belts despite and we know we only have them because so many people died. Similarly, we aren't specifically glad that people's accounts were leaked, but when we're using a more robust service in five years, largely due to this publicity, we'll be thankful regardless.

btw, you mean 'Woe'.

[burgerbrain]

Cry me a river.