[paulryanrogers]

> I’m actually open to a creator of our simulation or our reality simply because it’s the best explanation we have right now.

This was my position as I was leaving Christianity. Now though I think it's more likely that matter and the laws of physics have just always existed, possibly an infinite amount or to an infinitely small scale. While that may seem difficult to comprehend I think it's much simpler than omnipotent turtles all the way down.

[smeej]

It is omnipotent turtles all the way down, though. "Matter and the laws of physics" is "turtles" just as much as "God" is "turtles."

Choosing to believe the turtles are impersonal doesn't alleviate the problem of the turtles.

[paulryanrogers]

Except the turtle of matter and physics aren't creators and don't need themselves to be created if they always existed.

Mass and physics aren't sentient or acting with purpose.

[smeej]

Everything that exists comes [X]. [X] causes all that happens. Nothing happens apart from [X].

It doesn't matter whether [X] stands for "matter and the laws of physics" or "God."

All you've done is make the turtles impersonal. The stack is still there, and it's every bit as inexplicable as it was before.