[paulryanrogers]

Except the turtle of matter and physics aren't creators and don't need themselves to be created if they always existed.

Mass and physics aren't sentient or acting with purpose.

[smeej]

Everything that exists comes [X]. [X] causes all that happens. Nothing happens apart from [X].

It doesn't matter whether [X] stands for "matter and the laws of physics" or "God."

All you've done is make the turtles impersonal. The stack is still there, and it's every bit as inexplicable as it was before.