[corry]

Really like this, congrats on the launch!

To the people moaning about Electron apps... you're not the market. To the people moaning about $100 price... you're not the market. To the people moaning about Mac-only... you're not the market. To the people who missed the value-prop COMPLETELY and think some free taskbar widget is the whole idea... you're not the market.

IMO if you're managing 10+ people and have 10+ meetings a week (i.e. are an executive, founder, or otherwise in leadership), and this helps you get even 10% better at meetings, you'd do it in a heartbeat.

The fact is that in most startups and even larger tech companies, meetings remain one of THE most important decision/collaboration fulcrums that exist. One might say that "being better at meetings" is one of the most important things you can do as a leader.

Final comment to the naysayers - I'd like to introduce to a little startup/email client called Superhuman. I'm sure these naysayers were posting all these negative hot takes on that too. And the naysayers were wrong then. Because they aren't the market.

Congrats guys!

[JustFinishedBSG]

> To the people moaning about Electron apps... you're not the market. To the people moaning about $100 price... you're not the market. To the people moaning about Mac-only... you're not the market. To the people who missed the value-prop COMPLETELY and think some free taskbar widget is the whole idea... you're not the market.

Then who's the market? Because it's obviously not us and I think the (accepts Electrons) ∩ (uses mac os) ∩ (pays for expensive apps) population is VERY restricted.

And why post it here if we are not the market?

> missed the value-prop COMPLETELY

The idea of "value proposition" is so absolutely inane. If people were always paying for a what a tool is "worth" in term of revenues then working would be useless as you would be spending as much on your tools as to what they bring.

Do you value Linux at >50K a year? Would you pay 5000$ a month to use an OS? No? Well that's weird because that seems in line with its "value proposition".

> I'd like to introduce to a little startup/email client called Superhuman. I'm sure these naysayers were posting all these negative hot takes on that too. And the naysayers were wrong then. Because they aren't the market.

Then stop advertising this type of apps here.

[oefrha]

> (accepts Electrons) ∩ ...

Outside of a small vocal group of people mostly concentrated on HN and prone to give crappy hot takes, practically everyone in the world "accepts Electrons".

[zapzupnz]

Practically everyone accepts them where there is no better solution.

And usually there is no better solution because third party integrations to online services (think Stack, Discord, etc.) are limited or aren’t kept up-to-date with official apps.

Or, in Discord’s case, are outright against the ToS and not worth people’s bother.

[gjulianm]

> Then who's the market? Because it's obviously not us and I think the (accepts Electrons) ∩ (uses mac os) ∩ (pays for expensive apps) population is VERY restricted.

The market is people that have a lot of meetings and invest a lot of time in preparing/documenting them.

By the way, you are talking as if the set of people who accept electron apps and pay for expensive apps is a fixed one. It's a tradeoff. It the app is good enough, people won't care that it's Electron or that it's expensive (and, for the record, few people care about Electron apps).

> The idea of "value proposition" is so absolutely inane.

The value proposition of something is not the price, but what it gives to the user.

> you would be spending as much on your tools as to what they bring.

The value you offer is the value offered by your tools plus the value you add by working with them.

[roberttod]

The hackernews community has a broader range of thought than you give it credit for - not everyone is against electron apps. The top comment on this post is supporting that, and everyone who +1'd it.

[motoxpro]

pays for expensive apps: 100s of millions of people uses mac os: 100s of millions knows what electron is: 431,882 weekly downloads.

I'm making a bit of a joke here, but the market is plenty huge for this app. Also, not all of Hackernews is developers who have opinions on electron. e.g. Me.

[Cu3PO42]

> you're not the market

I think it's a bit too easy to use this to justify whatever decision you make. After all, you can always define your market to be whatever set of people like your product and are willing to put up with whatever set of restrictions is imposed.

That isn't to say that this is never a valid point to make, for example I think "if you don't see the point of this, you're not the market" is absolutely reasonable. I can also accept it when talking about the price.

However, I don't see how it applies to the Operating System restriction and to a lesser extent the complaints about Electron. My primary machines from work run Windows, but that doesn't say anything about the number of meetings I have, how much I prepare for them or what value this application has to me.

I see potential for this to be quite useful and would have no qualms paying the subscription fee if it turns out to save me time over my current workflow. I think that makes me part of the market for the tool. But I probably won't find out if it's useful or pay for it anytime soon because the application doesn't run on my machine. I can see many colleagues being in a similar boat.

If not fulfilling the system requirements automatically makes me "not the market" and you're happy doing your business constrained to "the market", then you're obviously allowed to do that. The authors, and hardly anyone else for that matter, owes me a Windows app or any other product. But I don't think saying "I'd use this, but I don't use macOS" is naysaying or implies "you can never build a successful business" if done respectfully. It enables the creators to gauge interest and decide whether to invest resources into opening up another segment of potential users.

[bberenberg]

We can also be the target market giving feedback. The idea that everyone who doesn't agree with you isn't the target market would revolutionize product management if true ;)

[alach11]

My mind also immediately went to Superhuman while reading about Hera. I think the product has a lot of potential!

[brunovegreville]

Definitely a big inspiration for us! Thanks:)

[brunovegreville]

Thanks for the kind words! Looking forward to seeing you on Hera!:)

[ushakov]

so, are you implying that this is tool is actually a status symbol to show off to other founders and your (less fortunate) employees?

[pratio]

What I inferred from the comment is that there are some users who attend most meetings and some who have to organize most of them. It doesn't have to be a status symbol for employees. Whoever organizes the meetings, takes notes, exports them to relevant tools would need that. I'm thinking of a product manager taking a meeting with the designers developers etc.