[desine]

It's just a symptom of the neo-pseudo-scientific political system. I can find plenty of articles that "fact check" my gut instinct that deporting illegal immigrants who commit violent crime will reduce the violent crime. A cursory googling will remind me that SF's ban on handguns, licensed carry, and other gun restrictions protect me. After all, if I were in danger, the police average under 8 minutes response time on top priority calls. Every time I visit my family there, and remind myself not to pack sandals because of the number needles on the ground, I pull up my bookmarked journals reminding me that we can't be hard on drug use, even in public, because that makes the problem worse.

SF is a fantastic reminder that we cannot trust our gut instinct and logic on how to deal with the problems of society.

I look forward to the peer reviewed article explaining why this is just bias and misconception of the status quo. I used to enjoy my memories of playing ultimate frisbee barefoot in Delores park, as a young teenager, with no concern over safety taking public transit. But I must remember that my memories are subject to fallacies of their own. Likewise, those un-scooped poops I used to see were probably human, like they are now, I just didn't realize it then, because I was so naive.

The neo-liberal politics of finding, or creating the studies that support the policies that "feel good" and not the ones that actually tackle problems are making the problem worse. And like a snowdrift growing on a ledge, it will continue growing, until it collapses into an avalanche. The longer we let it grow, the more casualties we will see when the correction arrives.

I have family that's now leaving the city. Chesa Boudin and his policies was their personal tipping point

[ubertoop]

"Boudin was born in New York City to Jewish parents. His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members, both convicted of murder."[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin

[sceew]

"The thing I have noticed is when the anecdotes and the data disagree, the anecdotes are usually right. There's something wrong with the way you are measuring it," - Jeff Bezos

[jboy55]

Its funny, the comment adjacent to yours is one where Krakow Poland is shown as a paradise compared to SF. So please, go over to that thread and tell them how safer Krakow could be with unlimited guns, a insane war on drugs and the removal of their welfare system.

[desine]

There's other differences between Poland and the United States, but only some of them are things you can vote on.

[jboy55]

I think that's a dog whistle, but please enumerate them.

[desine]

>I think that's a dog whistle

By today's standards? Yeah, it probably is. I don't even care anymore though. Homogenous societies have fewer problems of inequality, less crime, more social cohesion. We've known this since Aristotle in Greece, since Marcus Aurelias in Rome, and probably with some other writers I can't think of in between then and now.

It's not a statement of any one group being better than another.

It's not a statement that I don't enjoy many aspects of our diverse society.

It's merely a rebuttal to your argument.

Cancel me as you see fit.

[jboy55]

"It's not a statement of any one group being better than another. It's not a statement that I don't enjoy many aspects of our diverse society."

If you are coming clean, then please continue, what groups are you talking about? And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'?

[desine]

> what groups are you talking about?

Any divide you wish to draw, I'm not drawing them. SF is more diverse than Krakow when you account for race, place of birth, religion, sexuality/gender identity.

>And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'?

A diverse population has less homogeneity.

Keep fishing, but get better bait.

[joemazerino]

I wonder how many journalists who wrote these fact checked studies actually live in the area.

[tootie]

I don't think there are actually any studies cited for any of those. In fact, it's well known that local gun laws are nearly useless. NYC makes it nearly impossible to buy a gun but they are easily bought in bulk an hour or two drive in any direction.

Immigrant policy is mostly based on humanitarian grounds. But I'd still be surprised if it's actually a major driver of crime. Violent crime in higher nationwide than every developed nation by a huge margin. Our lack of healthcare, for-profit opioid sales and the endless flow of firearms are the things I'd point to.

[desine]

I don't feel the need to deport illegal immigrants who don't commit violent crime. However SF doesn't allow ICE to arrest/serve warrants, even if the person in question has drug charges, violent crime charges, etc. In a city that clearly has taxpaying residents unhappy with the level of crime, they're throwing away free federal resources to deal with those issues. Even if it's not a driving factor, it's a symptom of a law enforcement philosophy that doesn't inspire confidence.

[tootie]

AFAIK they do allow enforcement of criminal warrants for anything violent. They also don't and can't prevent federal agents from doing anything. They just don't actively cooperate or enforce immigration law with their own police. Also worth noting that they adopted sanctuary status in 1989 which preceded their massive rise in prosperity. It seems unlikely to be a factor in problems of the last 5 years.

[desine]

News article: https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/19/san-francisco-not-coopera...

The city has a "rapid response" hotline you can call if you see any ICE agents in the city. I'm not sure what their response is. But they definitely don't work with the agency

[tootie]

That headline is exactly what I said. SFPD will not enforce federal warrants for simple immigration violations.

They absolutely will enforce warrants for serious crimes. Nor will they prevent federal agents from operating in the city. The rapid response hotline is a private non-profit and not run by the city.

I suggest not relying on conservative propaganda outlets like Daily Caller for your information.

[desine]

Quote from the article:

>Namely, his department will not honor immigration detainers lodged by federal agents. If an illegal alien in San Francisco is placed into local custody for an unrelated crime, and ICE asks that the individual be transferred into the agency’s custody, that request will simply be ignored.

I am saying they will not deport violent criminals who are also here illegally. The article supports my statement. Combined with SF's lenient catch and release programs, this by default means they're allowing violent criminals to stay in the area, even when they have the federal resources to make the population safer.

[emercom]

I'm assuming you know that site was founded by Tucker Carlson? He might have an interest in making "liberal" cities and populations look as bad and scary as possible, even if it means writing outright lies. You should try to find a more reputable source.

[desine]

Most mainstream news sites have a very clear agenda of making liberal policies and politicians looking better than they actually are. The quality of news media (on both sides of the aisle) has declined drastically in the past several years, and the number of actually center sources has dropped to near zero.

If you can refute the contents of the article with something more tangible than disliking the founder, I'll give it a fair read. I think if this were outright lies, there would be some pushback from the city. You're making big claims here.

[akomtu]

Here's stats on violent crime in the US:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

[astrange]

I've never seen anyone call Chesa Boudin "neoliberal" before. Actually I haven't even seen anyone call "neoliberal" policies not right-wing enough. Very innovative post.