[incrudible]

> Even if true, this novel molecule is not floating around in a body for an entire year waiting to have some side effect. They've been shooting it into people for a year and a half now. If there was something to worry about, it would have been seen.

There are lots of things we do see and we should worry about. The problem is that we can't tell right away if it's just noise, if it's a potentially rare side-effect. Then you have the problems like Myocarditis, which are clearly caused by the vaccine, which we hand-wave away with speculative "the benefits still outweigh the risk" scenarios:

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Scree...

[mrj]

Right, anything not yet discovered is going to be a pretty rare side effect. We're still learning about what covid does to the body, tell me about the side effects of getting sick.

[baq]

> "the benefits still outweigh the risk"

this is not handwaving, this is the foundation stone of modern medicine.

[incrudible]

Placebo-controlled studies that verify that the benefits actually outweigh the risk can be counted into those foundations.

Speculative scenarios based on predictive factors that you could just fudge until the result looks "right" to you, those are the essentially quackery.

[baq]

no disagreement here, but the same standards should be applied to misinformation from vaccine-skeptical folks. 'we don't know' is an honest answer for both sides.