[baq]

> "the benefits still outweigh the risk"

this is not handwaving, this is the foundation stone of modern medicine.

[incrudible]

Placebo-controlled studies that verify that the benefits actually outweigh the risk can be counted into those foundations.

Speculative scenarios based on predictive factors that you could just fudge until the result looks "right" to you, those are the essentially quackery.

[baq]

no disagreement here, but the same standards should be applied to misinformation from vaccine-skeptical folks. 'we don't know' is an honest answer for both sides.