[kalium-xyz]

Wolves are known to just kill a dozen sheep, either to train the young or because they can. Most predators are known to have behavior which involves killIng and/or maiming inefficiently and for reasons other than food. Even worse is that you have plenty of prey animals that will also go ahead and kill or maim each-other for social reason (elk, zebras).

[nsonha]

So there are evolutionary reasons baked in such behaviors? Regardless, it's not quite the same as building factory for the sole purpose or killing, and esentially kill for pleasure. The equivalence would be an ongoing massacre which is not seen in nature to my knowledge.

[liaukovv]

Nature is ongoing massacre.

[nsonha]

How so? Predators get tired, they dont have machinary that helps them kill thousands of preys everyday

[liaukovv]

I dont see a difference between using a mchine and using claws and teeth.

I dont see a difference between mother killing prey for her cubs and butcher doing it for me.

I dont see a difference between farmer raising lambs and lion protecting his territory.

Is efficiency your only qualm? The only difference it makes is amount of life, not it's quality.

[nsonha]

Very ignorant, the difference is clearly the number, and the fact that humans kill for pleasure (taste) and convenience, but let's just focus on the number. Do you see the difference between murdering one person and murdering 10?

What's this quality of life horseshit? So if a person has "low quality of life" then i guess murdering them will get you a lighter sentence?

Sorry for using murdering as examples, I just dont have a better way to make the point.

[EvilEy3]

> and the fact that humans kill for pleasure (taste) and convenience, but let's just focus on the number.

Well sorry, not sorry for trying to enjoy the only life that I have.

[liaukovv]

Taste is a proxy for nutrition. Murdering people is bad not because of some abstract causing of pain or whatever(otherwise youd have nothing against killing people with heroin would you?) but because murder begets murder, making existence of organized society very hard and inefficient. Killing animals doesn't cause such problems so it's irrelevant.

Meat animals exist to be killed.

[EvilEy3]

Predators are not counted in billions and aren't conscious enough to say "Hey, Jake over here eating barbeque while I have to eat plant crap" either.